From the geeks to the masses
Lately, I've had baseball on the brain more so than usual. I always have the Astros on the brain because it's my pseudo-job to do so. The last week or two though, I have been engaging in more meta-conceptions of the game we all know and love. It definitely started with Will Carroll's BPro Unfiltered piece about how to make stats more accessible to the huddled masses. What has solidified my current obsession with thinking about how baseball is digested by us as fans was a conversation I had with my girlfriend's father on last Friday.
Like I did with my own father, I gifted him a copy of Michael Lewis' Moneyball as a gateway drug to my way of thinking about baseball. Prior to me baiting him into the statistical revolution with Moneyball, I believe it's fairly accurate to describe him as a decidedly old school fan of the game. When we spoke on Friday night, it was clear that Moneyball gotten through, but the man still had deserved doubts about cursory knowledge he gleaned through reading half a Michael Lewis' novel.
His doubt centered on Moneyball's meme that a walk is just as good as hit. He agreed in principal, but was fraught by the omission that a walk doesn't allow for a runner already on base to advance more than a single base; so while it is mostly as good as a hit, it is not always. The conversation was reminiscent of my own father disputing sabermetricians' claim that there is a lack of streakiness in baseball.
My dilemma with my girlfriend's father was that in order to begin absolving sabermetrics of the overly-simplified concepts presented in Moneyball, was that I very quickly found myself in the territory of Linear Weights, wOBA, and WPA. These are subjects that I literally spent days digesting for them to ring true to me: How am I supposed to convey all of this information is a casual 5-10 minute conversation and make it seem credible in the least? Moreover, I went into such a tangled web of acronyms to simply explain that considering OBP as the best player evaluator isn't a requirement for sabermetric belief That there is far more nuance in the understanding of offensive metrics and that OBP is just ticket into rabbit hole. Who would want to go down a rabbit hole that crazy (aside from most of us...)?
With my own father, it was streakiness. I started citing Markov-chain based studies that determined there is no meaningful correlation between varying samples of previous at bats and performance in varying samples of future at bats. My dad, a stats-savvy man, rolled his eyes as he relived junior college baseball glory and prognosticated on the truth of a streak. Much like any conversation that arises in regards to clutch, I was essentially left to concede that measuring something like that was difficult-if not impossible-because a hot streak, like clutch, doesn't necessarily have to be a measurable skill to be real to some.
After reading the updates from the Sloan Conference via Twitter this weekend, I was struck by the constant commentary of the need for evangelism of the sabermetric/stat-geek message. My knee-jerk reaction-especially after struggling to explain advanced offensive metrics-was full on concurrence. But after considering the implication for a while, I realize that stats don't need zealous brow-beaters, they need a better message.
My favorite example of how the message of sabermetrics is generally conveied is BPro's authoritative, Baseball Between the Numbers: Why Everything You Know About the Game is Wrong. If you were weary of stats-laden analysis, but were a passionate baseball fan, wouldn't you turn your nose up at that? Don't get me wrong, I love that book, but that's not a very effective message for the general masses (which it admittedly was not likely intended to be).
Heretofore, this is kind of been a stream-of-consciousness exploration of my feelings about how to make statistics "sexy." There is a method to this madness. The first is that I hope it sparks discussion amongst us, a group of knowledgeable "sabermetricians" without such a flair for some of the implied dogmatism. The second is to put forth my own suggestion of how to best sell stats.
The one suggestion I have is largely based on my own efforts at evangelizing the good book. The thing I have noticed is that no one wants to hear a longwinded description of what a stat is measuring, how it's derived, or what it's correlation coefficient is. So my suggestion is let's stop making it about the stats. Rather, I think we should sell the idea, or the strategic implications of the idea. That's just about the only way I've ever succeeded.
There are so many other approaches we can take to our "truths." Odds, game theory, etc. All of which can be boiled down in general of terms to make sense on a broadcast, in print, or over a few beers at a sports bar. If reading an array of sabermetric writers (and the discussions the occur amongst like minded thinkers) has taught me anything it's that we don't even hold the stats to be the primary goal amongst ourselves-really. We debate their methodology and qualify their intended purpose, but what never debate is that there are pointing us to certain truths. A truth which doesn't need a four or five letter acronym to be sold to the masses. We quibble about methodology and purpose because we can glean for statistics and our own knowledge of the game that each stat is pointing us somewhere. Yet, when we try to present the map we've made of somewhere, we spend more time fussing over the vehicles that take us there, than the destination itself.
That is my suggestion/observation. It is probably not the greatest. I do, however, know that there are sure to be other suggestions, and that I'd like to see what we can come up with.
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Good read, thanks.
My two cents is that the “saber movement” should be about concepts not stats. You can discuss all the ways a single is better than a walk without bring up linear weights. You can talk about how when a pitcher allows the batter to put the ball into play, there’s a lot of stuff outside his control determining if that ball falls for a hit. Etc.
And all the saber-slanted concepts aren’t about making a you’re-wrong statement, like you mentioned, they’re about enjoying the sport more. They should be presented in that light.
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c'mon
saber-slanted stats are often about making a you’re wrong statement and a big part of that is getting jobs writing and in baseball.
I'd rephrase it as
Saber-slanted stats can often be presented in such a manner, which it was I was going above. The stats are certainly intended to prove “the book” of baseball incorrect because it in fact was. The presentation of its fallacy, and the righteousness with which we pat ourselves on the back, often times, is what I think needs revamping.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Mar 10, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, I agree that they're often used that way.
But that’s not what they should be about.
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single vs a walk
Caution newbie speaking. To me, the value of a walk over a single is, when I take a walk, I’m going to likely get better pitches next time increasing my chances of an extra base hit. And extra base hits change everything. That’s one thing I drew from Moneyball. It’s all about walks and extra base hits.
When you look at it on an isolated basis, a single might be better than a walk. In my mind, the issue is the process which leads to each outcome. All players take a walk at least a few times per year. But some players have much higher walk rates. (Morgan Ensberg says on his blog that walks are the outcome of a good at bat, not the outcome of trying to draw a walk….good point, Morgan.) Players who walk a lot tend to be more selective at the plate, have good plate discipline, and, as a result, have a better opportunity to find the pitch they can drive. Batting average is more volatile than walk rates. (In fact, walk rates tend to be stable for individual players.) All else equal, a player who relies solely on his batting average to get on base, will be more inconsistent getting on base than a player who relies on both walks and batting average for his OBP.
A point I haven't seen brought up yet
It depends on the objective if the objective is to score a run then yes a single beats a walk, but if the objective is to not make an out then a walk is just as good as a single.
by Timothy De Block on Mar 10, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
“Players who walk a lot tend to be more selective at the plate, have good plate discipline, and, as a result, have a better opportunity to find the pitch they can drive.”
Yes. Exactly what I’m trying to say. The way I’d look at it is pitchers get sick of walking you and end up giving you the pitch that ends up going to or over the wall. Walks and extra base hits. Unless you are Michael Bourn.
My belief is that sabermetrics advocates should feel no need to proselytize other fans to view baseball through the sabermetrics lense. (I say this even though I am probably as guilty of this as anybody.) If other fans want to view baseball in other ways, that’s fine—it’s just a game, after all. I think the conversion of fans to sabermetrics will happen to people who have an interest or curiosity in that path. A certain predisposition is required in order to be drawn down the rabbit hole. I also get uncomfortable with the evangelical zeal that sometimes surrounds sabermetrics. What makes sabermetrics so interesting is the willingness to question traditional ideas about baseball. However, I am concerned when sabermetrics principles become accepted as facts from on-high…particularly if it means that sabermetrics won’t question it’s own ideas when a reason exists to do so. And that perhaps gets back to your main point about presentation; I think some sabermetric advocates come across as holding to their principles with a religious zeal.
by clack on Mar 10, 2010 7:35 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree, as far as it goes.
But when people who I’d be happy letting enjoy baseball however they want to enjoy it start coming to me with claims that can be shown to be demonstrably wrong, there’s only so long I can smile and nod. Enjoy the nostalgia surrounding Don Mattingly and tell me how much you loved him as a player. But don’t try to convince me he’s an all-time great in any objective sense of the word. Because then I’m going to explain why he’s not.
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Newspaper people
I think it’s going to take beat writers and columnists using sabermetrics for it to truly spread to the masses. Not just because a lot of people use them as a source of news, but because they’re not afraid to explain it. Writers at Baseball Prospectus, FanGraphs, etc. they have their audience, and they don’t want to talk down to them. A lot of these writers aren’t interested in explaining what wOBA, and this doesn’t encourage new people to read about the stats that they don’t want to explain.
The problem: a lot of mainstream people don’t understand sabermetrics, or at least they don’t write like they do. The Chicago Tribune recently had a story about the Cubs using sabermetrics. Then, when he explained the sabermetrics they use, he described night/day game splits. This is hardly a saber stat, and it doesn’t help people still new to statistical analysis.

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