Justice looks at Lyon, Lindstrom scouting reports
The Chronicle's Richard Justice attempts to figure out how Ed Wade made his oft-criticized signings of relievers Lyon and Lindstrom. The interesting part of this column is that Wade gives Justice some of the scouting reports he reviewed. So, from that perspective, it's interesting to see what real scouting reports say. As I've said before, I don't think this is a case of Wade mis-reading Lyon's 2009 stats, because I think he makes decisions based on scouting reports rather than statistics.
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I can already see the eyes rolling
About Lyon’s intangibles…
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Feb 28, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions
Yeah. I would prefer that the Astros incorporated more sabermetric principles into their decisions. But I think you have to be careful comparing scouting information to quantitative statistical analysis. The former is at a micro level and the latter is at a macro level. (Although the newer quantitative stats arising from pitch f/X are beginning the movement toward the micro level.) At the scouting level, “intangibles” are important, and in fact provide one of the information advantages associated with scouting. An example that comes to mind is comparing Roy Oswalt to Tim Redding. The two pitchers had similar stuff when they came into the league, but the make up of the two pitchers was quite different. At the macro level, you have to assume that intangibles are subsumed in the statistics—because there is no other way to quantify intangibles (if you could, they would be tangibles).
I didn't mean to be derisive of the scouting reports
Just that I’m not sure that Justice did Wade a favor in the saber-world of snark.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Feb 28, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Lyon $5 mil; Wandy $5 mil (and Lyon has a guaranteed $10 mil more over 2 years)
Either Lyon is overvalued or Wandy is undervalued.
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by Joe in Birmingham on Feb 28, 2010 2:43 PM CST reply actions
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All of the above
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Feb 28, 2010 2:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wandy is under team control. He isn’t supposed to be paid his free market value. Thems the rules.
by clack on Feb 28, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What rule?
I thought arbitration was supposed to determine fair value
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by Joe in Birmingham on Feb 28, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
It determines value based on players in a similar stage of team control. Wandy is in the 2d year of arbitration eligibility, and the arbitrators are not supposed to look at comparable players who were signed in free agency. That’s why there weren’t many comparable players in the Biz of Baseball article, and they didn’t reflect free agent prices. The team control period of arbitration eligibility often produces lower salaries than arbitration offered to free agents, because fair value is different for players who are free agents and those who are still bound to their team. The system is set up as a compromise which shields teams from market salaries for the team control period, but doesn’t permit the team to dictate salaries like they do in the pre-arbitration years.
Thanks for that information
I did not realize the arbiters were given such specific guidelines .
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by Joe in Birmingham on Feb 28, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
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