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Know your Astros Relivers: The Prospects, Part III

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Meszaros, Danny (via Cotuit Kettleers Baseball)

We have arrived at the third and final installment of the Pitch F/X data from the Arizona Fall League. Our last subject will be Danny Meszaros, a right-handed pitcher out of the College of Charleston.

For those of you unfamiliar with the 24-year old, he was drafted in the 48th round of the 2008 draft as a senior. In his one full season in the minors, Meszaros pitched 74 1/3 innings with an ERA of 2.91, 67 strikeouts, 20 walks and seven home runs allowed while reaching Double-A Corpus Christi last season after starting out in Lexington.

He is now one of 29 players to be drafted out of the College of Charleston, with the first being drafted in 1998 and 13 of those being drafted in the past two seasons. After a disastrous senior year (9.63 ERA over 18 appearances

and seven starts) where he gave up a team-leading 16 home runs and 19 doubles in 52 1/3 innings, Meszaros plummeted down the draft boards.

Still, the senior had struck out 62 batters in those 52 1/3 innings while walking 36. He was also coming off an unknown injury which caused him to miss the entire 2007 season. In his first two years with the Cougars, he was 15-3 over 40 appearances and 13 starts with an ERA of 2.78 over 132 2/3 innings. Meszaros struck out 120 and walked 48 during those first two years and gave up just eight home runs. He was also named a Freshman All-American in 2005.

What's interesting is that while Meszaros is listed at 6-foot, 190 pounds, this article on the College of Charleston's website suggests he could be shorter than that. The author listed his height at 5-foot-9. Now, that was two years before he got drafted and four years ago to this writing, but I wonder if he could have grown three inches in the meantime? Indeed, between the 2006 and 2007 media guides, Meszaros gained an inch. Whatever his true height, he has turned into quite the late-round find. Let's look at what the throws after the jump...

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Meszaros threw 11 2/3 innings for the Peoria Saguaros with an ERA of 4.63 while striking out 15 and walking three. Over those innings, Meszaros threw 138 pitches in front of Pitch F/X cameras. Below is a quick breakdown of what pitches he threw.

Count Selection Avg. Velo. Max Velo. Horizontal Vertical
Four-Seam 95 68.8% 92.6 93.9 -9.87 9.93
Curve 30 21.7% 76.9 79.3 2.88 -4.93
Change 13 9.4% 82.7 84.1 -10.76 3.57

 

Meszaros didn't have the hop on his fastball that Chia-jen Lo had or that he had at the College of Charleston, when his fastball sat at 95. However, he did get good movement on the pitch and has a very effective curve. His changeup wasn't used very often but, as you will see below, did miss some bats.

This next chart shows the percentage outcomes on the three pitches:

Strike % Swing % Whiff %
Four-Seam 65.26% 44.21% 5.26%
Curve 73.33% 46.67% 16.67%
Change 69.23% 53.85%

15.38%

 

While he doesn't get hardly any swing-throughs on his fastball, his curve and changeup are pretty decent off-speed pitches. Again, going back to Harry Pavlidis' article I referenced in the Lo feature, you can see that none of the pitches are great in and of themselves, but Meszaros has one of the highest strike rates around. At .6739, his strike percentage would have ranked second on Pavlidis' list. Money quote:

With the extra movement, [the two-seamer's] a harder pitch to control than a four-seam fastball.

Here's a different way to look at his pitch movement:

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If we use this reference chart again, the first thing that jumps out is his fastball is actually more like a two-seamer. This helps explain the break into right-handers, and also helps explain why his splits are so skewed. If his two-seamer is so effective to righties, it makes sense that it wouldn't be as effective against left-handed batters. It also means that Meszaros should be able to somewhat maintain his .240 BABiP against righties in the future.

However, since he gets more swing-throughs on his breaking stuff than his fastball, I looked at what he threw for his 'out-pitch', or when he had two strikes on a batter. 48 of his pitches came with at least two strikes on the hitter. 30 times, he used his fastball while he used his curve 15 times and his change three times. Those percentages (62.5% FF, 31.2 % CU, 6.25% CH) show more reliance on the curveball as his out pitch than when he uses it normally. If you look at number of times used in two-strike counts to total times used, you get even more skewed percentages. Basically, Meszaros used his curve half the time on two-strike counts, while the fastball was roughly 1/3 of the time and the change was used one-quarter of the time.

Why does he work off his fastball to set up the curve? Let's look at the general movement of the two pitches.

  Break Y Break Angle Break Length
Curve 23.83333333 -6.173333333 12.27
Four-Seam 23.78210526 48.34947368 4.947368421

 

The Break Y column shows the distance in feet from home plate when the pitch has its most break. Notice that both the fastball and the curve break about the same time. The Break Angle is an angle from 50 degrees to -50 degrees, with 0 degrees denoting a pitch with no break at all. This column is also a bit backwards from the other movement chart, since negative angles move away from a right-handed hitter and positive move towards. Notice that Meszaros' fastball bears down extremely hard on right-handers, while his curveball is almost exactly 12-6. The curve also has about a foot in 'hump' or break length, showing how much the pitch actually deviates from the straight line.

Looking at this, I can see why the curve works as an out pitch. If Meszaros uses his fastball as over 60 percent of the time and the curve and fastball break at about the same time, it must be hard to differentiate them, especially if a batter is only seeing him once a game.

So, what does this tell us? Meszaros uses a good sinker to set up his curveball and is effective at getting strikeouts with these two pitches. His changeup wasn't used in a small sample size in the AFL, but with its location, could also be an effective pitch to slow down left-handed batters. Throwing as many strikes as Meszaros does means he has the command to move up the system still and could find himself in Houston sometime this season. I don't think he'll break camp with the club, but I do think he will make an impact in 2010.

Next up in this series is a look at what some of the entrenched relievers for 2010 will bring. Pitch F/X profiles of Jeff Fulchino, Alberto Arias and Matt Lindstrom are in the hopper. Anyone else I should be looking at?

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Great Work

I’ve never seen the pitch F/X of Chad Qualls, but the sound of a hard breaking FB on righties combined with a decent breaking pitch sounds similar. There are worse things to turn into than a right handed sinker baller that throws a lot of strikes.

by Sarcastros on Feb 2, 2010 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Why don’t they have him starting, I wonder? It sounds like he has the pitches to manage it. If he could add a slider, he’d profile similar to Oswalt.

Stamina issues maybe?

by OremLK on Feb 2, 2010 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

That's what I thought

Stamina is probably a big role in it. His fastball at 92 may only be 92 for about 30 pitches or so.

by Sarcastros on Feb 2, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably

Its pretty much the same issue as with Lo. He hasn’t thrown more than 100 innings before, and while he is 24 and could probably handle more than 20 inning increase per season, it would take too many years for him to acclimated to big league starting IP numbers and would be probably useless.

by Subber10 on Feb 2, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why I’m typically onboard with trying to develop every decent-to-good prospect as a starting pitcher right away, especially when you have as little depth as we do.

If a guy doesn’t succeed as a starting pitcher (or is only okay, not good), you can still convert him to the bullpen. It’s much harder to do the reverse.

But most of all, relievers are the one type of player you don’t need to develop as prospects. They’re inexpensive in free agency and relatively easy to make out of “quad-A” guys.

by OremLK on Feb 2, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He’s never thrown over 100 innings at any level that I saw. I couldn’t track down what his injury in college was, but that could affect their thinking too. Plus, he really only threw three pitches. You’d like a starter to have at least one more to get through the order a couple of times.

by David Coleman on Feb 2, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I was under the impression three was generally considered enough to go on with. There are guys out there who basically work off two good pitches (like Wandy) and only have one more they use very rarely as a show-me pitch.

by OremLK on Feb 2, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is exactly what’s always scared me about Wandy. He has always worried me as a 2 pitch guy. I never thought his fastball was good enough to use as the only complement to the curve. Then again, he proved people like me wrong this past season, but I suppose we’ll see.

by Sarcastros on Feb 2, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Wandy has several more pitches.

He also can throw the cutter and slider. He threw those in his first two years in the majors, but quit throwing them, after that as shown on Fangraphs. (I recall that Andy Pettitte taught him the cutter.) I think that perhaps the Astros felt that he was better if he concentrated on the three pitches (FB, CB, CH), all of which are plus pitches. Also he throws both FBs, a sinker and a 4 seam. He seems to have gone more to the 4 seam FB in recent years, and I assume that reduced his GB rate.

by clack on Feb 2, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I was also thinking of his pitches in this context, where he relies so heavily on a fastball. He definitely would need to throw another pitch more often if he started. Maybe the Astros are happy with what he’s doing and so they aren’t changing anything. There is certainly a shortage of good bullpen arms in the minors.

by David Coleman on Feb 2, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Work

This whole series has been very impressive and very informative. We definetly have some quality arms in the minors and this is a testament to Bobby Heck to being able to find such quality talent even in the last round of a draft. The 2008 draft for the astros is already considered the turning point in the farm system this is a testament to it as well it will be a great story if Meszaros makes it to the bigs, which it looks like he will. He closed some games in lexington, not sure about CC but he could be another relief arm that could have closer or set-up man potential

by Subber10 on Feb 2, 2010 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

renantech

Found this article interesting.I have to look forward to read more from your site in the future..

Thanks for the information and tips i gain in this site.

by renantech on Feb 3, 2010 2:41 AM CST reply actions  

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