Who is Cesar Carrillo?
"Who is Cesar Carrillo?"
I was counting up the names on the Astros' 40-man roster earlier this offseason and came across the name of a right-handed pitcher that I didn't recognize. I thought I was familiar enough with the Astros farm system to know the names of guys with enough talent to make the 40-man. But this was a name I'd never seen before.
A quick set of searches on The Crawfish Boxes revealed that he'd never been mentioned on the site before, whether in a front page story, a fan post, a fan shot, or even a comment! I set out rectify this situation and did some digging to try to answer the question of who Cesar Carrillo is and why he is on the Astros 40-man roster. This is the result of my search.
How did Carrillo arrive with the Astros?: He was out of options in early September when the Padres had to put him on waivers to make room on their 40-man. Surprisingly, the Astros weren't the ones who claimed him then. The Phillies grabbed him, but immediately put him on waivers themselves so that they could try to get him in their system without having to keep him on their 40-man roster. Padres GM Jed Hoyer calls this a "frustrating" practice (though you can imagine he uses more colorful words when not doing an interview), and said that Carrillo was a guy they didn't want to give up, but were forced to do so by their circumstances. And so the Padres claimed Carrillo back from the Phils just 15 days after they initially put him on waivers and 6 days after the Phils had claimed him. He wasn't long for the Padres, however. The Pads put him right back through waivers, and he was very shortly claimed by the Houston Astros.
Why did the Padres, Phillies, and Astros all want him in their systems? When San Diego picked Cesar Carrillo in the first round of the 2005 draft (18th overall, six picks ahead of Brian Bogusevic), the team hadn't been expecting him to slide as far as he did. He was considered by many to be the most major-league-ready pitcher available in that draft, and it's not hard to see why. He had a fastball that he could crank up into the high-90's, along with a solid curve-ball and an "almost-ready" circle-changeup. His ceiling: a #3 pitcher.
Baseball America had him ranked as the #1 prospect in the Padres system in 2006 (#88 overall), and their #2 prospect heading into 2007. His rise through the minors was soon interrupted, though. In 2006, he began having forearm soreness. He tried resting it to avoid surgery, but this didn't work, and Carrillo ended up getting Tommy John surgery in mid-2007.
What has Carrillo done lately? Carrillo hasn't quite been the same pitcher after his Tommy John surgery. His strikeout rate has hovered in between 5.0 and 6.0 K/9, which is a far cry from the 10 K/9 he was cranking out in his first professional season. Before the 2010 season, Friar Forecast stated that at his best, Carrillo has a consistent low 90's fastball that can occasionally reach 94-95, an above-average curve, and a solid change-up. Although his speed has returned, his curveball is different, changing from a "hammer" curve to a "slow looper". He was getting more groundballs, though fewer K's, and is relying more on his change-up than he had previously.
Still, in 27 AAA games in 2010, Carrillo put up a 5.60 ERA (4.84 FIP) with lackluster K and BB rates. He pitched about 10 innings in 2009 at the major league level over the course of 3 starts, with mixed results. Two of his starts, he didn't complete the third inning (4 ER in one start, 8 ER in another). The other start, was by definition a quality start (6 IP, 3 ER), though it's hard to call it that when he racked up 4 BB and only 2 K.
So why do the Astros want Cesar Carrillo?: I have a couple of theories on this. First, when Ed Wade was "between jobs" as a GM, he worked for the Padres front office as a scout. It's possible that during this time, he took a liking to Carrillo, though Wade was not with the Padres when they drafted him and he wasn't around when Carrillo began his post-Tommy John re-habbing in 2008. Maybe Wade is gambling that Carrillo can get back on the major league track if the team is patient with him. Although something like 85% of players are fully recovered from Tommy John about 18 months after surgery, maybe Wade thinks Carrillo is one of those guys who just takes a lot longer. He's still under 30 years old (he'll be 27 in April), so he still has time to figure things out.
Maybe the Astros organization just considers him a depth guy. He might be useful to the major-league club as an occasional call-up in case of an injury in the rotation. Or perhaps the Astros think he might be a good candidate for changing jobs. A guy who once upon a time was able to throw in the high-90's may be a good fit in the bullpen.
What do you think?
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Carillo sounds like a good project.
Looking at his stats on the baseball cube. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/cesar-carrillo.shtml
Carillo seems like a player who was battling arm problems before his surgery because his stats balloon from AA to AAA from 3.02 ERA in 2006 to 8.06 in 2007. I am not sure if he has control problems or a problem with his delivery but, it seems like he has something else he needs to improve before he is major league ready.
Could be a good bullpen project.
A minor leaguer who has shown major league promise
Why not take a chance on him? He doesn’t cost us anything (not a trade, not a payroll burden) He is a former first round pick so he’s obviously shown some potential even if not all first round picks are diamonds. Who knows who the future Cy Young candidates are? If Cliff Lee has has taught us anything its that even mediocre pitchers can turn into gold! We can say for sure that there are future All stars and Cy Young winners in the minors right now and not all of them are somebodies. Maybe we just picked up a guy on the verge of turning the corner to MVP status. Maybe he’s going to stay a player you have to research to know who he is, but what did it cost us?
by Its Gonna Happen on Dec 27, 2010 5:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Nice digging, Andy. As shown by the Padres’ and Phillies’ actions, the cost of acquiring this player is opportunity cost, i.e., taking up a 40 man slot, which is pretty valuable. Several scouts must like Carrillo or else the Phillies, Astros, and Padres wouldn’t have claimed him off waivers, pin ball style. I agree that it’s possible he could be a player who takes longer to recover from TJ surgery, which makes it worth taking a gamble. The change in his curve ball from sharp break to looping action makes me think that he is protecting that elbow when he throws it.
If the Astros are lucky, maybe he becomes the next Wilton Lopez….who was also plucked out of the Padres’ system off waivers.
The opportunity cost of a roster space is a great point. I don’t remember where I read it, but someone recently proposed a method of “levelling the playing field” by allowing consistently losing teams to have additional roster spaces for the purpose of waivers and the Rule 5 draft. On the other hand, consistently winning teams would get fewer roster spaces. I don’t really like the idea because it seems to go against the point of trying to level the playing field…it would feel weird to have a September game between a team with 42 players and a team with 38 players, for instance. But the overall point was a good one…that even those 39th and 40th slots on the 40-man roster are really important for protecting and developing talent within your farm system.
I think Carrillo is worth the gamble, but I don’t have high hopes for it panning out.
Speaking of the 40-man, there’s an extra spot on the Astros’ 40-man roster. I’ve been mulling over how it might be filled…best guess is a left-handed relief pitcher, but I had figured that the Astros would look internally at Abad, Rowland-Smith, and Wes Wright for that position. We may see a late “bargain-hunting” acquisition this offseason, but I don’t expect anything on the level of the Myers signing.
Good work
Definitely looks like an upside play. I’m assuming he’ll get a spring invite and a chance to work with Arnsberg?
I remember seeing Cesar Carillo last season with the San Antonio Missions at Whataburger Field. He seemed to be a nice gentleman and I had no problem getting his autograph. I’m not too sure if Carillo is completing the deal this season when the Corpus Christi Hooks released pitcher, Tyler Lumsden and was picked up by San Antonio.
I just realized I mis-spelled the poor guy’s name in the headline, of all places. I tried to edit it, but it’s not letting me for some reason. Can one of the blog managers get an extra R in Carrillo?
Fixed.
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by David Coleman on Dec 27, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions


























