Making Inroads Twice, Astros-style
Yes, I am piggybacking on a Brian McTaggart blog post for the second straight day. No, it is not because I am out of ideas for what to write. I have legitimate outrage that I'd like to share with you, dear readers.
My frustration comes not from Houston refusing to make an offer on Aroldis Chapman. The Cuban defector has many issues that could cause him trouble between here and the big leagues. It's probably not prudent to invest 21 million into a guy like that, when you can almost get a guy like Stephen Strasberg, with less potential roadblocks to the show, for the same price tag. It's also great to see Wade realizing that signing five international players gives him better odds of finding one who becomes good than signing one.
I'm not even frustrated by the notion that the Astros could have poured that money into the draft and signed a couple of players who had fallen because of signability reasons. Throwing money at the draft isn't quite the answer, though I would like to see them take a couple more chances by going over slot recommendations for players.
No, my indignation stems from the Houston Astros Venezuelan academy. Created sometime in the 1990's (information on it was hard to find), it produced Major League stars Magglio Ordonez, Johan Santana, Melvin Mora, Carlos Guillen and Bobby Abreu. There were countless other players who made the majors and played in the minors who were also signed out of this academy, run by longtime baseball scout Andres Reiner. From what I can tell, the academy ran like a prep school. The Astros would sign a player to become part of the academy, Reiner would teach them all about baseball and then Houston could offer them a professional contract. Thus, some players signed with different teams when the Astros declined to offer them a pro deal.
The Astros were one of the first teams to put something like this together. Other teams followed suit, but Houston was out in front of this one. That's why it upsets me when I have to read this from McTaggart:
Since Wade took over as general manager late in 2007 and hired Bobby Heck to rebuild the scouting and player development department, the Astros have made inroads in signing international players.
Wait, what? The Astros needed to make inroads into signing international players when they were the freakin' trendsetters 10 years earlier? How far has the franchise really fallen?
The Astros and owner Drayton McLane decided to close down the academy in the past few years, opting in recent time to start developing one in the Dominican Republic instead. Still, that's years away from bearing any fruit and meanwhile, Heck and Co. have to start from scratch on international players.
When we talk about reasons McLane hurts the Astros, it's stuff like this. His bottom-line thinking forced them to shut down the Venezuelan venture, I can almost guarantee. I realize things may have become more complicated when Hugo Chavez came to power, but people are still signing kids out of the country. It's not like the doors have closed there. No, instead, Drayton thought it too expensive and cut back his investment in international signings.
The Astros have done well recently, getting highly thought of players for reasonable prices. They are nowhere near the big leagues, but progress is progress. The frustrating thing to me is to see the franchise this decade take so many, many steps backwards before finally starting forward again. Things like these issues with international scouting are probably why Hunsicker left and are ultimately why Drayton's tenure as owner will be considered a disappointment.
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And after the Astros cut ties with Reiner, who had been tremendously successful in Venezuela, he followed Hunsicker to Tampa Bay and helps build up their player pipeline.
by clack on Jan 6, 2010 3:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As if I couldn’t summon up any more indignation. How many different ways did losing Hunsicker cripple this club?
by David Coleman on Jan 6, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The bulk of the decline in our Venezuelan scouting dominance was simply that when Reiner started up our department there, the Astros were really the only organization with a significant presence. When the Astros started showing that you could get successful players out of there, the other teams jumped in, and we were no longer the only fish in the sea. More competition meant a decline in the Astros Venezuelan scouting dominance and a spike in the price of signing guys into our system. When we signed guys like Richard Hidalgo, it only cost $40-50,000. Increased competition means that number is more like $500,000.
You can probably cast the Venezuelan academy move as about “saving money”, but that completely misses out on the context in which the move was made. Closing the Venezuelan academies was part of a series of moves designed to improve the organization’s talent pipeline. Other moves made at around the same time include building up our Dominican academy, establishing a Pacific Rim presence (go Ricky Barker!), and acquiring a GCL affiliate so that foreign signings can acclimate to US culture (and work on their English) faster than they could in foreign academies. What you might call “saving money” is what others might call “efficient allocation of resources”. As Ricky Bennett said when they closed the academy, “Our focus is to allocate resources to spend money on signing better players in Venezuela. The more money we spent on operating costs, the less we spent on players.” So yes, it was about saving money on overhead so that they could spend it on pitchers and hitters. And they’re getting them ready for the big leagues faster.
I think you’re partially correct that the decision to pull out of Venezuela had political roots. Wouldn’t you re-consider what kinds of physical resources you’re investing in a country when you see news reports titled Instability in Venezuela could threaten flow of baseball talent to U.S. or Politics makes toxic mix with MLB’s investment in Venezuela? The academies in Venezuela were mostly about housing and training the guys that we’d signed…now those guys will simply be housed and trained at better facilities in the Dominican or in Florida.
Third, the fact that we no longer are running an academy (a physical piece of property that could be confiscated by the government) in Venezuela doesn’t mean we don’t have a scouting presence there. Other teams have maintained their academies there, including (I believe) the Mariners, the Reds, the Red Sox, the Mets, the Phillies, and the Twins. If an unsigned prospect works out at one of those facilities, odds are probably good that we’ve got a scout there who will get a look at him, since we maintained a full scouting staff there after the academy’s closure.
Scouts are still going to be roaming the playing fields of Venezuela for us, looking for the next Johan Santana. And we’re still signing guys out of there…like Alfredo Gonzalez ©, who signed back in May and Enderson Franco, who signed in July….it’s just that all these guys are so young when we sign them, it’s years before they might pop up on prospect lists, so the signings fly under the radar.
Furthermore, it’s my (unsubstantiated) hunch that Purpura was bad at running this organization on many fronts, including running foreign operations. I don’t think it’d be unfair to say that Wade and Co. are doing a better job than the Purpura administration.
Finally, don’t get upset about our organization being bad in the mid-2000’s…be happy that we’re getting better!
by AstroAndy on Jan 6, 2010 5:54 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think the downhill slide accelerated when the Astros let Reiner go, which occurred shortly after Pupura took over. I suspect that Reiner realized that the Astros weren’t prepared to put the money into development which would be required to compete.
Johan Santana is currently on a Hall of Fame track, and probably will reach that level, if he can maintain his current performance. Bobby Abreu is borderline Hall of Fame material. Ironically, neither of these Reiner signees were ever allowed to contribute much to the Astros, with both given away for free.
Here’s a quote from Bleacher Report:
Santana grew up in the mountains of Venezuela playing baseball on the sandlot for fun. He never dreamed about playing professionally; he didn’t even know what Major League Baseball was. No, Santana’s destiny, so he thought, lied in becoming an electrical engineer just like his father.
Truth be told, if it hadn’t been for the persistence of Houston Astros scout Andres Reiner, who not only made the 10-hour trek through mountainous countryside to the small-town of Tovar, but also incessantly begged the organization for money to go, Santana may have followed in his father’s footsteps.
I have think that the Astros also lost an advantage in terms of reputation among young Venezuelans.
by clack on Jan 7, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You make some fine points. However, it misses my main argument, which is that the Astros missed an opportunity to keep expanding in Latin America. Chavez was in power by 2002. There were more teams flooding into Venezuela by then, ramping up competition. Why couldn’t the Astros have taken time then to scale back operations and focus more on other countries, like Carlos Lee’s native Panama or the DR.
The organization had a chance to capitalize on what it had and grow from there. Instead, we went backwards and are only now taking steps to rectify that. Yes, it may have been under the watch of Tim Purpura, but I’m more of the opinion that it was handed down from higher up. Purpura simply wasn’t the GM for long enough to mess up the franchise this badly. Three years? That’s how long it takes to trash a good ball club?
Clack also brings up a good point. In Latin America, it seems who you know is just as important as the money you invest. The Astros lost a good asset in Reiner and while they are making a recovery now, it’s frustrating that they have to recover in the first place.
by David Coleman on Jan 7, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
interestingly, Reiner seems to be doing some of what you mention, but with the Rays now. Reiner persuaded the Rays to open up an academy in Brazil. Obviously, that’s a gamble, but it’s attempting to set up that same kind of advantage (as the only team there) which was enjoyed in Venezuela by the Astros-Reiner academy.
by clack on Jan 7, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Purpura simply wasn’t the GM for long enough to mess up the franchise this badly. Three years? That’s how long it takes to trash a good ball club?
BA just released their draft grades from 2005-2008, which covers the three drafts under T. Purp. Of those three, we know already that the 2007 draft was bad, but the 2005 draft received a failing grade, too. His best draft was 2006, where he got a C. If you believe what Ed Wade says about one bad draft setting you back three years, that’s substantial damage done under Purpura’s watch, just on the minor-league side of things. On the major league side of things, I’ll just throw out some words and you can fill in the blanks: no-trade clauses, $100 million, Jason Jennings, Woody Williams, Preston Wilson, Aubrey Huff. Purpura’s tenure was a whole lot of “two steps back”.
Yes, it may have been under the watch of Tim Purpura, but I’m more of the opinion that it was handed down from higher up.
A GM’s job isn’t to just implement what the owner says to do. A GM’s job is to identify the best baseball decisions that can be made under a certain budget and to make those happen. If the owner wants the GM to make bad baseball decisions, then it’s the GM’s job to convince the owner otherwise. Purpura had a much bigger budget than a lot of other GMs in the same time period, and instead of convincing Drayton to spend money on maintaining the organization as a whole, he spent it on free agents like Carlos Lee. Ed Wade seems to have done what Purpura couldn’t or wouldn’t do: convince Drayton that a healthy minor-league system makes the major-league club healthier and cheaper in the long run.
I have think that the Astros also lost an advantage in terms of reputation among young Venezuelans.
It’s not just young Venezuelan’s that the Astros lost reputation with. During the mid-2000’s, a lot of people criticized the Astros for having such a low number of minorities on their major-league club. When Carlos Lee was at the 2007 All-Star game, he tried to recruit Hispanic players to play for Houston, but It seemed like the Astros had the reputation that they don’t carry that many Latinos or black players,’ Lee said. ‘Everybody I asked was saying: ’I don’t know if they want me here. That sort of reputation not only hurts the big club, but probably trickles down to minor league recruiting as well.
by AstroAndy on Jan 7, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
What’s up man,
I agree it’s frustrating what happened to the Astros international scouting. I read a book about Reiner by Milton Jamail, and ended up doing a post about how underappreciated major league scouts have been. Reiner is definitely one of the best, and it’s too bad he left w/o much fanfare.
http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=1234
I think the ‘stros farm system is showing its first signs of life in awhile. I like Lyles and Castro. Even though I wasn’t sure about the Mier pick, it’s not looking that bad. I’m hoping they’ll get a great pitcher in the next draft, maybe somebody like Deck Maguire from Georgia Tech.
by oneill681 on Feb 2, 2010 11:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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