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Know Your Astros Relievers: The Prospects, Part II

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In the first part of this series, we looked at Samuel Gervacio. Next up in this little tour of the Arizona Fall League Pitch F/X data is Chia-jen Lo. Most of you are familiar with the soon-to-be 24-year old from Taiwan, but for those that aren't, here's a little background. 

Lo was one of the first prospects signed by newly named Pacific Rim scouting director Glen Barker. His first experience in the minors was as a reliever in Lancaster to start the 2009 season, but the Astros wisely moved him up to Corpus Christi after just 25 innings in The Hangar. There he teamed with Daniel Meszaros to make one of the more potent late-inning relief combinations in the Texas League. The duo combined for 87 strikeouts in 100 2/3 innings, with Lo striking out 22.9 percent of the batters he faced in Double-A.


Lo then pitched in the Arizona Fall League for the Peoria Saguaros. After appearing in six games, Lo went back to Taiwan for the rest of the winter. Just last week, he was invited to the major league spring camp along with Jason Castro and a few other minor leaguers. In the AFL, however, he only had three of his six appearances before the Pitch FX cameras, which were only installed in Peoria and Surprise's ballparks. This means that Lo had just 81 pitches reported for us to analyze. So, all the jibber-jabber after the jump can be taken with a grain of salt...

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At 5-foot-11 and 180 pounds, Lo isn't exactly a Stephen Strasburg look-a-like. His slight frame might remind some Astros fans of Roy Oswalt or Billy Wagner. His fastball may also hearken back to those guys when they were younger. As the chart below shows, Lo's fastball sits easily at 93-94 MPH and touches 96 at times. It's got a good bit of vertical drop to it and tails away from right-handed batters. Dealing with these sample sizes, it's hard to tell too much else, but he obviously relies on his four-seamer quite a bit.

Pitch Count Selection Avg. Vel Max Vel Vertical (in) Horizontal (in)
Four-Seam 63 77.8% 93.4 96.1 -7.32 10.33
Curve 14 17.3% 78.8 80.7 -9.39 -3.33
Change 3 3.7% 84.4 86.2 4.92 6.96
Two-Seam 1 1.2% 90.4 90.4 -10.76 8.79

 

How effective is the pitch? Well, as the next chart shows, Lo can throw his four-seamer for a strike pretty regularly. He also gets quite a few swing-throughs. If you'll recall the recent article from Harry Pavlidis that HLP linked to last week, a 14% whiff rate is about half what the minor league leader had in 2009. It's good, but it's not great.

Of course, we are again dealing with a much smaller sample size than Pavlidis obtained for any of the pitchers on his list. It is good to know that Lo is getting some swings and misses with his fastball, especially if he decides to throw it as often as he did in the AFL.

Pitch Strike % Swing % Whiff %
Four-Seam 71.43% 57.14% 14.29%
Curve 50.00% 21.43% 0.00%

 

One of the big knocks on Lo once he was promoted to Corpus was he lost a little control. As you can see, that may have been because of his curveball. The curve was his second favorite pitch in the AFL, but he still threw it less than 20 percent of the time. It has good break to the bottom of the strike zone, but it's hard to determine how good a pitch it was due to him throwing just 14 of them. Still, he only managed to get seven of those over for a strike and didn't get a whiff on one of them. That seems to indicate he has trouble spotting the pitch, which may have caused some trouble for him at the higher level.

If you want to see visually what his pitches look like from a break standpoint, here's a nice scatter chart for that. Look at this reference guide to see that some of those four-seamers have movement very similar to his two-seamer, and could almost fit into the category of a changeup. If Lo could master the change in addition to his fastball, he could be a lights-out reliever.

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The last thing I wanted to look at was Lo's release point:

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As you can tell, Lo definitely comes more over the top than Gervacio did, but it's still not all the way over. His delivery is right there in an easy 3/4 slot and seems to be very consistent. You'd like to think he gets more over the top on his curve, but that's probably just a sample size issue.

So, what does this all mean? Lo is a talented right-hander with a great fastball who needs to work on his secondary stuff. Developing more consistency on his curve or developing a good changeup are both easy ways for him to make the big leagues. There was some talk about making him into a starter last season. However, he needs more than the pitch arsenal he's got currently because he's not going to fool many big leaguers throwing his fastball 75 percent of the time. I'll be very interested to follow him this spring to see what kinds of pitches he's throwing then. What does everyone else think?

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I'd convert him.

Our pen is deep enough that I don’t see us needing Lo this season. Maybe not in 2011, either. And if there’s even a chance that he could succeed as a starting pitcher, that would provide far more value to the organization in the long run. If he fails as a starter, he can still pitch out of the bullpen in the future.

by OremLK on Jan 26, 2010 7:02 AM CST reply actions  

I didn’t realize that he will be 24 next year. That seems fairly old for only his second year as a professional. Given his age, the Astros don’t have a lot of time to fiddle with developing his role. Is it common to teach a third pitch at the AAA level? Generally the Astros don’t promote players to AAA until they have learned all of the pitches they are expected to throw in the majors.

by clack on Jan 26, 2010 8:04 AM CST reply actions  

I remember reading somewhere (I think it was an article on Jio Mier?) that organizations often likes to teach secondary pitches at the higher levels. I believe it was an interview and Mier talked about how he was surprised at how many fastballs he was seeing.

Of course, “higher levels” probably means more class A through AA, than AAA. It’s true Lo is a little older, but would it be that bad if he repeated AA? At least for part of the year. He’s only spent half a season there, after all.

by OremLK on Jan 26, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

That also could be a problem with this sample size. Maybe if we were looking at 500 pitches, he’d have a more balanced curve/change percentage. The Astros could have sent him to the AFL with the idea to work on his fastball. With his control problems last season in Corpus and his problems with the curve in the AFL, I have to think those are related in some way. Maybe he just needs to refine his secondary stuff at AAA instead of learning it anew.

by David Coleman on Jan 26, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I like

That he hides his change-up in his fastball. That’s a good thing.

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by Stephen Higdon on Jan 26, 2010 9:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

leave him as a reliever

I don’t like the idea of converting him to a starter based on need. Max out his potential at what he was brought here to do.

I have seen him pitch a few times and he looks really good. I can see him being a closer someday or at least a nails 8th inning guy.

I am really excited to see him in the majors.

by baggs on Jan 26, 2010 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

I agree

We could use as much bullpen depth as possible

by SteveBartman_MVP on Jan 26, 2010 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think...

…that converting him into a starting pitcher would stop him from pitching in the bullpen in the future. It can only add value. The question is whether we need him with the big league club this year; that’s the only reason I can see why you wouldn’t want to at least try.

by OremLK on Jan 26, 2010 6:45 PM CST reply actions  

I think there is a difference in polishing him as a reliever or making him concentrate on adding another pitch or learning to incorporate off-speed pitches into a starter’s pitch sequence. I’m not saying that the tasks are mutually exclusive, but I could see it delaying his development as a late inning reliever. It might the difference in pitching at AA as a starter or pitching in Round Rock as the closer. At his age, I would think that, ideally, you would like to get him a taste of the major leagues at some point during this season, and no later than next season.

by clack on Jan 26, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep in mind that starting pitchers get a lot more innings and throw a lot more pitches. That’s why I feel like converting him to a starter could only add to his value—he’d get more time on the mound, and I would hope, develop faster for it.

The other argument against it would be if we had a lot of depth in the AA/AAA starting rotations, and no room for him to take a spot. I don’t think that’s really the case, though.

by OremLK on Jan 26, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The other point for making him a starter is that he obviously relies on his fastball too much in relief. Putting him in the rotation eliminates some of that.

by David Coleman on Jan 26, 2010 8:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m going to side with clack on this one. If you look at his innings pitched he had 64.1 in the minors this year, plus the 6 games he had in the AFL. If you’re going to convert him to a starter you’ll want to increase his innings slowly by season, it would be unwise for the Astros next season have him pitch 150+ innings right out of the gate. With his advanced age you may be able to increase his innings a little more than you would someone under 25, but you don’t want to go over board.

So say you start next season he’ll get to around 100 IP, then the next season you could go 140-160 IP, then after that maybe he get’s to 200 IP baring any injury or performance issues. At this point he’s 27 and just cracking the big leagues, as long as he can actually make the roster, because he will be competing at this point with some of the younger pitchers now coming through the system. Plus anyone that may be on the current roster at the time. That’s 3 years of just getting him ready to attempt to be a starting pitcher at the major league level, and even in that case circumstances could move him back into the bullpen.

At this point I don’t think it’s worth the time and effort to convert him to a starter and would consider it a bit of a risk in doing so. He can possibly taste the big leagues, and most likely next year with the chance to contribute. Let’s also take into account the current bullpen, which has several guys with injury and performance questions. There’s no guarantee that the bullpen will be good this year, so having that depth is a nice option if someone falters or get’s injured.

by timmy_ on Jan 27, 2010 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Too Long

I agree, that process will be way too long and ruin him. The guy has possible closer talent and lets tap into it, we have bullpen depth but not really closer depth. We have backend bullpen depth but nobody besides Lo who is beleived to have closer talent right off. Sure we have Arias, Fulchino, and Gervacio who we think could be groomed for the closer role and be effective, but we didn’t really think of it when they were in the minors, mostly out of need this season for one for cheap.

by Subber10 on Jan 27, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if this article instigated a Chronicle column about Lo?

Zachary Levine has a nice piece on Lo. Two passages I found interesting:

Scouts I talked to seemed to really like the potential of his stuff and absolutely love his fastball. It was the most glowingly I heard scouts talk about any aspect of an Astros prospect’s game last year.
“I know he’s going to get an opportunity to compete and make the club in Round Rock. If he comes in and shows us that he’s ready to do it, I don’t see why he couldn’t handle that level,” Bennett said.

As a follow-up, could he be in Houston in 2010?

“I think that’s realistic. That’s something that Ed (Wade) and I have talked about. The one thing I like about him is that he’s not afraid. He’s a pretty mature kid. He’s got experience in international competition. I think all those things play a factor. I think it’s realistic that we have a chance to see him in 2010.”

by clack on Jan 26, 2010 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

It ain't easy

I am not sure that you guys realize going from reliever to starter is not easy by any means. There is ALOT involved in that transition: workouts, pitch selection, preparation, conditioning, mental prep, and and all around different approach to pitching.

As a former high school pitcher, I can tell you that even at that level it would be a pain to go from one to the other, especially going from hurrying up and pitching an inning or so a game to sitting for days and throwing a lot on one day. It does a lot to your body.

Also, keep in mind that Paulino’s biggest complaint this year was the way Coop kept him in the dark regarding his role on the team. Not knowing if you will have a couple hours to prepare to throw 100 pitches or a couple minutes to prepare to throw 20 important pitches really effects your metal/physical prep.

by baggs on Jan 26, 2010 9:05 PM CST reply actions  

Hey folks! Astros fan her in Baton Rouge.

Just dropping by to say “hello”! Looking forward to talking some ’Stros with you guys in the future.

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by Joseph William Stern on Jan 26, 2010 9:38 PM CST reply actions  

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