Cecil Cooper fired, but who's more incompetent: Coop or the Astros' brass?
By the team I got on my break at work, I had already recevied a few texts and emails about Coop's firing. The last few minutes have found me rushing to a computer to put up some sort of jumbled thought about this and I can't really find a clear thread.
The first thing I thought was: cool, people will care about the Astros today. With the Texans rising from last weeks ashes and Texas being a football state first and foremost, I figured that the entire city of Houston had thanked their collective lucky stars that there was a team in town worth caring about. With this move the Astros have done one thing: they've made headlines. ESPN is even featuring the story on the front page (this happens no more than once a year for the Astros).
Does this really do anything for the team itself? I doubt it. Ed Wade and Drayton McLane have watched the magical point in the season where firing their manager could perhaps help the team rally to glory weeks ago. The front office has also now sunk a few million with the contract extension they offered him in April. Maybe it's because I'm just down on the Astros in general right now, but I just don't care that we fired Coop. I would have a month ago. I would have jumped for joy and swung from rafters shouting the good news, but it's too late.
This just feels like a symptom of the greater issue that plagues this franchise: a complete lack of willingness to be bold.
Like I said, these are jumbled thoughts, but I think they're meritorious. I know that HLP will likely weigh in with his own thoughts on the news later, but these are mine. At the end of the day, and in spite of the fact that I think Coop is one of the worst managers alive, this move has me confused and angry at the front office.
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The interesting question is "why now?"
Several possibilities come to mind.
(1) Perhaps some type of conflict arose between Wade and Cooper over day-to-day operation, like the issue of playing call ups. Given that firing Cooper was a foregone conclusion, perhaps Wade and McLane figured there is no harm in doing it now.
(2) Maybe there is some strategic benefit in getting ahead of other clubs which may fire their managers and, thus getting a better chance at hiring the best available manager. (nice thought, if true.)
(3) Maybe McLane had enough after two straight sweeps.
I figured that the entire city of Houston had thanked their collective lucky stars that there was a team in town worth caring about
The Rockets don’t start camp for a few more weeks, silly.
Your friendly neighborhood Dream Shake mod.
1. Scuttlebutt over at spikesnstars is that Coop was told that he would be released at the end of the season, but Coop decided that he would be released earlier. Whether this has anything to do with going out with a winning record (171-170) is up in the air.
2. I heard so many conflicting accounts on how the call-ups would be played that I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the final straw.
3. Yesterday, during the game, Brownie relayed that Coop was acting the sadsack, turning down interviews, and saying stuff to the effect that he didn’t know what he could do to make the team better. It’s possible that Coop found out yesterday that he wasn’t going to get to fulfill his 2010 contract.
4. Keeping Coop on until the end of the year made some sense. It’ll be easier for Wade to find the right guy by doing a thorough search during the offseason rather than in the middle of the season. Since it wasn’t clear that Clark would do anything different/better than Coop as an interim manager, it might make sense to hold on to the devil you know.
5. If the final straw was about playing the callups, then Dave Clark has a pretty good roadmap for how to be taken seriously as a candidate for the managerial position next year.
I don't think any callups are in today's lineup
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 21, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Peter Gammons talked about it and basically said
that Drayton is a mess and that Coop basically has seen it coming for about a week and that (brace yourselves) he said that the Stros could look into bring back Bagwell to manage. I had heard whispers but nothing from a legit source. Wow wouldn’t that be interesting.
Bringing Bagwell in to manage isn’t consistent with what Wade said on the broadcast. Wade’s criteria for a manager…has to be a former Major Leaguer who has either managed at the minor league or major league level.
Tim Bogar
is a name that Justice mentions
by Evan Hochschild on Sep 22, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Bagwell
I would like to see that, but I would want him to get some minor league games of manager under his belt first.
But I could see him down the line as the Skipper.
I like Bagwell more as a hitting and base running coach.
by Timothy De Block on Sep 23, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The front office isn't helping, certainly:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/9/16/1031195/houston-astros-2009-payroll
That’s one of the worst VOC’s we’ve conducted yet and it might actually be worse than the Royals.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"
Mike Hampton, Russ Ortiz, and Pudge Rodriguez were great signings by that chart
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 22, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
They might have been
Had the first two been bullpen arms/spot starters and Pudge been the backup catcher his pay level warranted.
I don't think any of those signings were bad, per se.
With Ortiz and Hampton, we got more than I would have expected when they were signed. I still think that Ortiz’s conflicts with Cooper hurt his results and that he got kind of a raw deal. Before the season started, did anyone think we would get more than 112 innings out of Hampton this year? I didn’t. Ortiz was dirt cheap…something like $700 K. Hampton was around $2 million. Both guys put up FIPs which are consistent with solid 4/5 type starters. In isolation, nothing wrong with the signings. The problem is that the Astros were viewing Hampton as a No. 2 starter…as a less expensive version of Randy Wolf. That was unrealistic.
Coop Firing
Personally, I like Cecil Cooper. I admired his Post Game comments and his demeanor. Unfortunately, that doesn’t have a lot to do with winning baseball games. His managerial decisions were always suspect with me, and rarely was I impressed by moves he made. I coached Little League, played baseball till I was 38 years old, and all that means is I understand the game. And when I watch the game, I usually see the intent of a manager in his moves on the field. Cecil never really made sense to me.
I understand he is a victim of Roy O not having a season to remember, and I realize the pitching staff struggled. It’s obvious we couldn’t get the clutch hit, and I’ve seen more games lost after having them won than I can remember in one season. But these things are in fact the manager’s responsibiliy.
It did take too long for the firing. I agree it should have been done some time ago. After surging to the top of the division, we began a tailspin that gleemed of imminent crashing the first week. Can’t put my finger on it, but it was obvious the mentality and drive in this team was lacking, and I saw no sign of recovery. I blame the manager for this type of team mentality.
Who next? I couldn’t say. But one thing is for sure, the best and most successful managers we have had were ex-Astros. And does a Jeff Bagwell fit there? Only the opportunity would tell us yea or nea, but one thing is for sure. The time Bags has spent in a locker room and dugout is all the experience he would need. Lord knows he has seen managers work, and I’m sure he has already said to himself many times……“If I were the Skipper, I’d do it like this…”, and there is the way a manager is born.
by Tailgate Captain on Sep 23, 2009 6:09 AM CDT reply actions

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