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Another series loss for the Astros yesterday. That makes four in a row after sweeping the Cardinals in late July. Our hometown nine will trudge on to play alternating home and home series with Milwaukee and Florida.

Always impressive with his insight, RJ believes that all the Astros need to right their ship is a little starting pitching. I think the most important thing to bear in mind right now is that the Astros are an average to slightly below average team. No more, no less. Do they have the potential to stay within shouting distance of first place this season. Sure. It would be difficult to continue pitching as bad as they have in the past four series. Once the pitching adjusts and the injury luck (hopefully) turns around, winning baseball is possible. Until then, we have to pray that Wandy continues to pitch like it's July, Bud Norris can navigate a tough schedule as a rookie, and that the combo of Hampton/Moehler/Whomever can win at least once in their three appearances.

To the injury point, Roy Oswalt is improving steadily and looks to be ready by Monday or Tuesday. Lance Berkman, however, seems destined to miss the weekend series vs. Milwaukee.

Michael Bourn, who missed Wednesday's game with a strained groin, says he expects to fine for Friday's series opener:

I felt it in the outfield, just pulled it a little, he said. But it's feeling better. I think I'll be fine by Friday.

On a personal note, with the summer ending I will heading back to law school for my third and (thankfully) final year of school. Thankfully, I won't be leaving town without seeing one David "Bud" Norris make a big league start. I'm excited to see my Astros play in person for possibly the last time this summer. Another interesting aspect of Norris starting is that he, like me, was born in 1985. I know a lot of bona fide major league stars were born in 1985 and later, but Norris is the first Astro farm hand to rise to the big league level who was my age. It may be a trivial point in the grand scheme of things, but for someone who loves the Astros as much as me, it's pretty cool.

As far as our weekend opponent is concerned, reliever Carlos Villanueva will moonlight as a starting pitcher against Mr. Norris on Friday night, says manager Ken Macha. Villanueva was tagged with a loss in his last appearnce against the Nationals after allowing five earned runs in just four innings of work.

The big news with Milwaukee is that Prince Fielder is now being investigated for his actions taken after Tuesday night's loss to the Dodgers. As I'm sure most everyone knows, Fielder attempted to enter the Dodgers' team clubhouse after the game, in order to confront pitcher Guillermo Mota who had beaned him in the ninth inning of a 17-4 game. Baseball is great. It may no longer hold the nation's interest as it once did, but baseball is still our country's defining pasttime. That being said, the game has so many unwritten rules that necessitate unnecessary and often times dangerous action/retribution. Listening to Rick Sutcliffe go on and on about how great it was that Fielder did this irked me a great deal. Maybe it's because I never played baseball beyond sandlot games or pitch/hit/catch games with friends (including DQ) in college, but a lot of this just seems silly. Fielder could have really jeopardized his team's chances at contending for the final third of this season if he had been successful at his intent to harm Mota. Pride is pride, but discretion is often t he better part of valor.

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No. There is no unwritten rule that says Prince Fielder should go to the opposing team’s locker room to confront a player. That’s ridiculous. And that’s why he was stopped by security personnel. After incidents like these, sometimes players will send messages (by phone) to the other team from the locker room. But this reminds me of security personnel having to stop Milton Bradley before he could get into the Royals’ broadcasting booth to confont the broadcasters.

by clack on Aug 6, 2009 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

the saga continued

Manny was not in the lineup last night. My guess is that, depending on the game score, he would wear one and Torre wanted to avoid that. I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t start up again in spring training.

I’d also suggest that if Fielder wanted to go in the locker room, he could have.

by ol Pete on Aug 6, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vince McMahon calling for you, Prince

You and Shaq at Wrestlemania, how about it ?

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 6, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

you mean he can overpower security guards? oh, probably. but he might end up in the county lock up.

by clack on Aug 6, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could just push by the one guy who was there initially. I suppose he could end up in Ye Olde Holding Tanke especially with the cameras there. I wonder how visible the security cameras were.

Tangentially, Chicago radio reports that the investigation of the incident should be complete tomorrow. I’d guess he’s going to get some suspension although a couple talking heads are guessing no, but if so it might be for the series this weekend.

by ol Pete on Aug 6, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

well that would be some luck for the Astros....

but I suspect it’s unlikely. This sounds like something that might get a fine but no suspension. But, who knows?

by clack on Aug 6, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll guess 1 game plus a fine

I think the idea of a player charging into an opposing locker room is scary enough to warrant at least one game. If he or any player in the future made it into an opposing locker room what would probably result would be a lot of shouting and maybe some guys being held back, but there is the potential for a full scale throw down.

by ol Pete on Aug 6, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Beaned" in the thigh? and other random thoughts

Mota hit Fielder in the thigh (Almost in the crotch – Is that a hard ball in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?) not in the head (bean).

Astros drop to fourth place with Brewers win last night.

Despite the positive outlook for Oswalt and the negative one for Berkman, the botttom line is both will miss the Brewers series this weekend.

The Astros Wives Gala is tonight. Jason Michaels unoffiical no-cut guarantee comes to an end soon.

If MLB is “investigating” Fielder, the investigation is to decide what his fine and suspension will be. If they expand the investigation, Mota is in trouble too since the broadcast replays have Dodgers announcer Vince Scully basically indicting Mota (and maybe Joe Torre).

Did you see the shot of Berkman on the bench yesterday? Not a happy bench warmer.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 6, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

There was a very similar incident with the Marlins and Dodgers

not long ago. Like this one, it wasn’t plunking followed by plunking, but pitching inside followed by plunking. I believe both the plunker and Torre got a suspension. That’s probably why Mota was used as he’s pretty far down the food chain in their bullpen.

by ol Pete on Aug 6, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

My vague recollection is that Mota has a reputation as a headhunter. These things can erupt when facing an ex-teammate, because his old teammates know his motivations, etc.

I think about the way Texeira lashed out after Padilla hit him. Texeira was his former teammate with the Rangers and said every one who plays for the Rangers knows that Padilla throws at players on purpose.

by clack on Aug 6, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Mota and Prince were friends

I’m just guessing, but I think Prince might have felt betrayed. It was also a joke considering the game situation and the fact that nobody threw at Manny. The point I was trying to make was that there is a sort of Manny rule the way there is sort of one for Pujols. Brush back or just pitches that break too far inside can result in plunking. The Marlins didn’t go after Manny and the Dodgers knocked HanRam out of the game. In the name of team unity, Manny gets special treatment. I hope the whole soap opera happens again.

by ol Pete on Aug 6, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

The hit batter for hit batter

Is so stupid especially if you’re up 17-4 come on, winning by that margin with 2 outs in the 9th is just a cheap shot.

On a lighter note who remembers Russ Springer throwing behind Barry Bonds four times, hilarous!

by Timothy De Block on Aug 6, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

A newly signed player, Wheeler, solidified his place in Astros' lore....

by drilling Cubs’ catcher, Michael Barrett, in the 9th inning of a blow out game, which also happened to be the last game of the series (meaning that no more retaliation would be possible). Of course, that was a continuation of the war of HBPs and words between Roy Oswalt and Michael Barrett. Barrett called for Zambrano to hit Oswalt when he batted early in the game. Barrett ran beside Oswalt, yelling at him the whole time, as Roy jogged to 1st base; meanwhile, Roy just told him something on the order of, “do what you got to do, but don’t be a dick about it.” The Astros’ hitters seemed rejuvenated by it all and crushed the Cubs in the game. Wheeler got the last retaliation. And the Cubs who were leading the division went into a tailspin and the Astros went on a roll, winning the WC (2004)

by clack on Aug 6, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I attributed that come back

To really good pitching and a underachieving first half not a little tiff with the Cubs. Although watching Barrett get all riled up when Roy O came to the plate was pretty entertaining.

by Timothy De Block on Aug 6, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have also seen some Cubs fans point to that incident as something which took the wind out of their sails. Another incident probably disrupted the Cubs’ season a little after that….the famous Steve Stone incident, when Moises Alou called up to the broadcast booth and complained about the way Stone portrayed the Cubs during the broadcasts.

by clack on Aug 6, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he plunked Lee

Meh. I can’t remember what I had for breakfast. Oh well.

by Danyah on Aug 7, 2009 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

may be right...

after I wrote that, I thought about the fact that Barrett was probably thrown out.

by clack on Aug 7, 2009 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

gotcha

i use “bean” to describe any hbp…not necessarily one that hits a guy in the noggin. sorry for the misunderstanding, folks

by Evan Hochschild on Aug 6, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Carlos V

His history as a starter hasn’t been good, but his last start was a good one.

by ol Pete on Aug 6, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

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