Not even a mention? ... Really?
How are all these teams getting players such as Victor Martinez, Cliff Lee, Jake Peavy ... and so on..... without giving up their main prospects?
The Sox got Martinez w/out giving up Buchholz or Bowden. The Phillies got Lee w/out giving up Drabek, Brown or Taylor. The White Sox got Peavy w/out giving up Beckham. And I'm not even listing the numerous other smaller trades. It makes me think what we would have to give up to be in the discussion.
If we labeled a few prospects as untouchable (say Castro, Norris & Lyles) could we have been in the discussion? What are players like Ross Seaton, Jonathan Gaston, Yorman Bazardo, J.R. Towles, Brian Bogusevic, Chai-Jen Lo ... worth?
I'm not saying I want to trade all those guy's ... but if stars were going for so cheap.. couldn't we have at least entered the conversation with a few of those names? Couldn't we be in the conversation for a Scott Kazmir or maybe a Matt Capps?
What do y'all think? I'm just trying to understand my confusion.
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i woulda definetly
given Bazardo Towles and lower prospect for Kazmir
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that would work
Rays would probably want Valverde since their closers (Izzy, Percival) haven’t worked out. And their catchers haven’t hit worth a damn. Navarro was good last year but is hitting somewhere in the .230s. Bazardo isn’t really seen as a top pitching prospect even though hes had a good year. Hes bounced around a lot (Marlins, Tigers, Astros). And Towles hasn’t proven that he would hit the ML pitchers any better than the guys they have (who have much more experience than Towles) The Rays aren’t in their old deal our good guys and get prospects for the future. They want guys they will help them win now.
by Astrofan on Jul 31, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
J.P. Howell has been fine as Rays closer. Given his contract and impending free agency, I doubt the Rays would value Valverde as worth much more than the compensation picks he’ll bring. The problem with most of the prospects the original poster mentioned is their age, and with Seaton it is his lack of strikeouts. Basically, while other teams held on to their top prospects, they still gave up more than Bazardo/Towles/Bogusevic types.
by seanbergmanrules on Aug 3, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll also mention that the Tigers got Washburn from the Mariners for two B grade pitching prospects. The Astros could have come up with that kind of trade value without significantly harming their farm system. My guess is that Drayton is sticking firm to his budget line, and would have balked at paying the remainder of Washburn’s $10 million salary. But that’s too bad, because Washburn is posting Wandy-like pitching stats and would have significantly bolstered the rotation. If the Astros had picked up Washburn, they could have gone the arbitration route for picking up draft or keeping on a one year contract.
by clack on Jul 31, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my impression from comments here
was that Mariners wanted pitching prospects which the brewers couldn’t provide despite being willing to make a deal.
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhombus67 makes a legitimate inquiry
and I have no answer about why so many teams let good players go for nothing; or why the Astros didn’t get one or two. On this last point, maybe this quote by Ed Wade sheds some light:
“I’m not surprised or disappointed that we didn’t get anything done,” Wade said. “With the payroll where it is and our desire to protect our prospects in our system, I’m not surprised. I didn’t make it not impossible, but probably improbable to get anything done of consequence.”
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 31, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Washburn
who knows whether to believe tweets, but if it is true, Gamel, Escobar or Parra for 2 months of a guy having a career year but isn’t all that, is way, way too high.
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, that appears to be significantly higher than what Detroit paid. The AAA pitcher, France, was having a nice season, and he performed well in a couple of spots starts for the Detroit, but he was not regarded as a top tier talent. He probably is on a level with Bazardo or Norris. But, who knows, maybe Seattle just liked France. Or maybe Z in Seattle would only deal with the Brewers if he got one of his favorite players in return.
by clack on Jul 31, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The economy effected the trade market this year
Look at the contracts moving with the player. If San Diego isn’t paying anything for the White Sox to take on Peavy’s contract then that could be on reason why they didn’t have to give up their top prospects. Obviously Boston doesn’t really have a cap, but it could of been a negotiation point that they’ll take Martinez’s and his contract but the Indians can’t have Bucholtz unless they pay a certain amount of Martinez’s contract.
by timmy_ on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damnit the fucking astros did nothing
how r we suppose to win the world series if we just get shitty players every year.
we should traded all our useless prsospects for roy holliday and adrian gonsalez and then BOOM , world series BABY.
Fuck the haters!
by bigdickwillie on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
are you being ironic or is that your actual considered opinion?
by AstroAndy on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would i be ironic? u think we can win with this team? this team sucks balls. most prospects font even do shit.
Fuck the haters!
by bigdickwillie on Aug 1, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If everyone’s healthy, this team will at the very least compete.
The farm system has been depleted over the Wade regime, and in his words:
"I’m not surprised or disappointed that we didn’t get anything done," Wade said. "With the payroll where it is and our desire to protect our prospects in our system, I’m not surprised. I didn’t make it not impossible, but probably improbable to get anything done of consequence."
Even with the addition of Holliday and Gonz, I don’t think that would guarantee a world series.
by pma on Aug 1, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant we just admit we arent going to win the World Series?
We are really going through a rebuilding process without totally blowing up the team and finishing last. Ed Wade is doing a great job of rebuilding and keeping the team competive. Of course, the big question is how many of these prospects pan out
by Horns09 on Aug 1, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gee...Competitive? Really?
If this were the NBA, NHL, or the NFL, having a decent team actually would matter because you could get in as a #7 or #8 seed. In the MLB, a 3rd place finish in the NL Central doesn’t really matter. However, the Astros, and most of the fans, should see that this team was never destined for anything this year other than having a few runs on wins and some decent individual statistics. For Ed Wade not to have at least shopped Jose around given what some of these bullpen guys went for from other teams AND closed a deal is beyond excuse? I don’t really care if we “try really hard” to be competitive. The 2009 team was doomed from the start having to depend on Mike Hampton, Russ Ortiz, and Brandon Backe. Moehler and Norris should shore up the lineup going into 2010, but we needed to look at adding another pitcher or two by playing up Jose or Miggy with teams in the AL playoff hunt. However, when you have Uncle Drayton in control, there will be no player dumping even if it means taking one step back for two steps forward the next season! That is why Hunsicker left. 2005 was all his players and moves. From 2006, it was all Drayton and his lackeys. If we try to fish for players in the offseason, we are going to spend more money that we would have via trade.
by Robertpz on Aug 1, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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