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[ESPN] Astros making usual second-half move

Nice to get some respect for this recent surge. Vina made some good points. Nothing we don't already know of course. Cliff Lee would be a nice consolation prize if we couldn't get a Halliday.

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It seems like every year we forget about how much of a push the Houston Astros make in the second half. They looked like a completely clueless team at the end of May, when the Astros were 20-29 and 9½ games back in the NL Central. They were completely off everyone's radar. We should have known a run was coming, given that Houston's average record after the break in the past five seasons is 42-31. And the run has come -- the Astros have trimmed that 9½-game deficit all the way down to one game. This team doesn't stop battling, yet it hasn't played in October since its 2005 World Series run.

You look at the NL Central this year and certainly no one is running away with it. The Cubs, despite putting an end to the Phillies' 10-game winning streak with a win Wednesday, haven't been nearly the same team they were a year ago. The Cardinals haven't been able to create any real separation from the rest of the pack. The Astros have fought their way to a 49-46 record and are now legitimate contenders. It all starts with their ace, Roy Oswalt.

In his career, Oswalt has been impressive in the second half, posting a 68-20 record after the All-Star break. He's a hard thrower with great durability, a guy built to keep you in games. And that's exactly what he did Wednesday, locking in a duel with St. Louis' Chris Carpenter. He kept the Astros in the game, and Houston came to post a 4-3 win. Sure, Oswalt got a no-decision, but he kept his team within striking distance, and when you have that type of guy to anchor your rotation, the chances of winning every five days are tremendous.

Wandy Rodriguez gives you that shot, as well. He's 10-6 with a 2.72 ERA and has added yet another dimension to this ballclub's rotation.

The Astros have an advantage over the other teams competing in that division; they have a prolific leadoff man. Michael Bourn, who came to Houston in the Brad Lidge trade, quickly is becoming one of the game's most enticing players. He has a .354 OBP and is leading the National League in stolen bases (35) and triples (8). His presence on the bases gives RBI men Miguel Tejada, Carlos Lee and Lance Berkman chances to put up big offensive numbers. We've seen guys such as Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins bring a jolt to teams; it's without question that Bourn can do the same for Houston.

We've seen the Killer B's in Houston, but imagine if they had Killer Roys in the front of their rotation? If Drayton McLane and Ed Wade are looking for a boost, they need to involve themselves in the Roy Halladay sweepstakes. Having the righty Roys pitch on back-to-back days will guarantee you at least one win, if not two. Add in Rodriguez and Brian Moehler, and things are looking pretty good. Houston does have a history of trading for an ace at the deadline. Randy Johnson was brought in as a rental in 1998. Even if a team such as the Phillies lands Halladay, there is always a chance to get into talks with the Indians for Cliff Lee. If McLane is willing to take the chance on either guy, it certainly would be worth it.

Unless the Astros can make a trade, their chances for October are slim. They will continue to push along like they always do. Their middle-of-the-order hitters (Berkman, Lee, Tejada) are among the best in baseball. Then you add in veterans such as Ivan Rodriguez and Darin Erstad, and scrappy youngsters Hunter Pence and Bourn, and this team was bound to get hot any minute

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Man, as much as it would fire me up to get one of those guys...

You just can’t do it. The only trade you make is where you are giving up nothing. We have leveraged our future too many times. If you can get a guy without giving up the top layer of your minor league prospects… then by all means go for it.

by Irish Pete on Jul 23, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish ... but not possible

In order to even be in the conversation for those guy’s … you would have to start with Bud Norris & Jason Castro and probably go on to include Jordan Lyles and 2 other prospects. And I’m not even sure that beats other teams offers.

The only possivite is that the Jays and Indians don’t need a catcher as they both have a good minro league catcher in the waiting. But if you take Castro’s talent out of our offer … we’re not even close. So maybe that’s not possitive .. i don’t know.

All I know is … I would love to add a Halladay or Cliff Lee to give us a great 1-2-3 punch like we had in ’05 but realistically … not possible.

by Rhombus67 on Jul 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Halladay

Laughable

But it’s nice to see the Astros get some love from Bristol…

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by Stephen Higdon on Jul 23, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

what do the Astros have that could possibly compete in a deal for Halladay?

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by Only_A_Lad on Jul 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm okay with the first few paragraphs

which are just fluff, but I agree, it’s nice to get a little love from the Disney sports network for a change. Talking about acquiring Halladay or Lee is just ignorant though, and falsly setting the rest of the baseball world up to continue believing the Astros are cheap and not interested in winning. I don’t think the Astros have enough top talent in the minor leagues to make such a deal work. They’d have to include Pence or Bourn to get into the discussion, which is just crazy talk. Vina doesn’t bother discussing what the Astros might have to give up, only says “if McLane is willing to take the chance on either guy, it certainly would be worth it.”

Weak.

I did catch the sportscenter recap of last night’s game this morning (a big focus of which was St. Louis not turning the double play in the 9th), and they went on to discuss the tight race in the Central. Tim Kur—- not even gonna try - had a much more reasonable take, saying that none of the teams were likely going to make a big splash trade and will likely stick with what they’ve got, and in the Astros case, stating what we all know that the Astros just don’t have the pieces to make a big move.

by littlevisigoth on Jul 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Same Ole
Unless the Astros can make a trade, their chances for October are slim.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard this in June or July, I’d be able to buy some dugout season tickets.

by pel on Jul 23, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

guys...

not sure y u think wed have to give ALL THAT FOR Cliff Lee…

Doubt wed even need to trade Norris or Castro…

Pauilino would probably be a must with maybe a OF prospect and someone like Trinidad…

Now IF it were halladay, i wud not mind giving up,Paulino, Norris, Lo, Towles, Trinidad, Bogisevic
I think thats pretty reasonable (tho they wud prolly want Castro over towles too (then i would not do it)…

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 23, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lee's price is just as high as Halladay's

Not quite as good, but better contract. You’d still be giving up Norris, Castro, Lyles and others.

Halladay would cost you the entire lot.

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by jonthefon on Jul 23, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah .

If you’re trading for any top of the rotation starter it’s going to cost at least 1 top level prospect. The only prospects you can consider “top level” that are above Single A are Castro and Norris. ( and as optimistic as us Astros fans are about them … other teams don’t view them as high as … say a .. Clay Bucholz, Neftali Feliz, Justin Smoak, Brett Wallace, Kyle Drabek, Alcides Escobar .. and so on). Don’t ask me why … but that just seems to be the consensus.

Look at the Sabathia trade last year. Milwaukee got a 3 month rental and had to give up Matt LaPorta who was and still is regarded very highly. Cliff Lee and Halladay have another year left on their contract so any team that wants them will have to give up probably 2 “top level” prospects for to start off with. that means Castro and Norris and probably more (like one of our Lexington pitchers).

Even if the Jays or Indians wanted to make that deal … i don’t think the Astros should or want to themselves.

by Rhombus67 on Jul 23, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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