SBN's NL Central Round Up: Part II
[ The following is the second part of a week long discussion that took place over Google Docs between all the NL Central Blogs for SBN. I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed checking in every day-ish and seeing what everyone had to input ,and want to thank Eric Simon and Sky Kalkman for making this happen. With as much as we'll be seeing of some of these teams in the next month, hopefully this will help us follow Sun Tzu's sage advice of know thine enemy ]
Part 2: Second Half Storylines
Sky Kalkman (Moderator): What surprising story lines from the first half of the season have shaped the standings the most?
Stephen Higdon (Astros): I think the thing that has by far shaped the standings and been the biggest surprise is the Cubs early season woes. I know a number of times at TCB, I have sort have marveled how the Astros, as terribly as they've played, are some how still somewhere in the NL Central hunt and it just doesn't make sense. The thing that has sort of been the defining element of the NL Central is inconsistency. No one has managed to eek out an sizable lead, nor has there been any really distinct separation of basement dwellers and contenders. While I doubt that it will remain that way through out the second half (as the BtB Power Rankings certainly indicate), the standings, as they are now, certainly make for an interesting July and August—something I feel few would have predicted in March for the Central.
Kyle Lobner (Brewers): For the Brewers, three major disappointments and one major surprise have shaped the season. In the early going this season, Rickie Weeks was the straw that stirred the drink for the Brewers, but when he went down with a torn tendon sheath in his wrist, the Brewers were left with a hole at second base and in their leadoff spot. They've used no less than five players in the leadoff spot since, and have yet to find the answer. Across the bag at shortstop, J.J. Hardy's complete inability to hit has left the Brewers searching for hitting, which isn't a problem the team was anticipating. Hardy is hitting just .226 with a sub .300 OBP and limited power. Thankfully, his defense balances some of it out. Finally, the sudden and precipitous decline of Manny Parra left a major hole in the rotation that the Brewers weren't prepared to replace, but hopefully spending some time in the minors straightened him out.
On the positive side, the Brewers have gotten more than anyone could have asked for from Casey McGehee, who has gone from waiver wire castoff to NL ROTY candidate in about two months.
Slyde (Reds): I think the Cubs and Cardinals are the two surprise stories of the year for the NL Central. Personally, I didn't expect the Cubs to be as good as the media was anointing them to be, but I expected them to be a lot better than they have been. I think the injury to Aramis Ramirez really hurt them beyond what they probably imagined it would and the poor performance of Rich Harden has to be a surprise. The Cardinals are a surprise not necessarily because they are winning, but because of how they've done it this year. They were outstanding offensively to start the season, but have been carried by their pitching of late. I guess I should stop being surprised when a team with Albert Pujols does well, but I really didn't expect the Cardinals to be much better than a .500 team this year. Perhaps they'll fall back, but every time I think they're going to slip up, they seem to keep chugging.
Al Yellon (Cubs): The Cubs' woes are well known. Frankly, i put a lot of the blame for this on Jim Hendry, who, along with Lou Piniella, apparently decided that the reason the Cubs lost the 2008 NLDS to the Dodgers was that they weren't lefthanded enough. That wasn't the reason, but the Cubs dropped the popular and productive Mark DeRosa and added Milton Bradley, who has been horrendous most of the first half. Bradley's been a bit better lately, but Adam Dunn would have been a better free-agent signing. I didn't think this was a better team than last year's going in, so maybe it's not a surprise the Cubs are struggling, but I did expect better than .500 play.
Charlie Wilmoth (Pirates): I can't disagree with everyone who's been surprised by the Cubs (and I'd add Alfonso Soriano's poor start to their long list of troubles), but the excellent return of Chris Carpenter from injury, along with some really great performances by other Cardinals pitchers (Ryan Franklin, Joel Pineiro, Trever Miller) have to rank up there as well. I suppose surprisingly good Cardinal pitching barely qualifies as a real surprise anymore, though--it seems like every year they have a Kyle Lohse or a Todd Wellemeyer who comes out of nowhere.
[ Like yesterday, there's much more after the jump ]
Sky Kalkman (Moderator): Which of those surprises are most likely to continue throughout the rest of the season? I.e. which are flukes and which are for real?
Kyle Lobner (Brewers): Well, obviously Rickie Weeks isn't going to come back. Aside from that, the Brewers hope J.J. Hardy's luck will even out, Manny Parra is straightened out and Casey McGehee stays hot. Of the three, McGehee is probably the least likely to maintain his current pace. If Manny Parra doesn't come back strong and the Brewers don't make a move, they could pitch themselves out of contention.
Al Yellon (Cubs): I'd have to expect that Bradley will come back to at least somewhat close to his previous performance. I doubt he'll come up to the standard he set with the Rangers last year -- much of which was accomplished as a DH -- but if he can even split the difference between 2008 and first-half 2009, it will help. I'd like to see the Cubs try him at leadoff, since he isn't driving in runs but is leading the team in OBA.
Charlie Wilmoth (Pirates): Casey McGehee is a huge fluke; his OPS right now is 150 points higher than any untranslated OPS he's ever posted at any stop, in the majors or the minors. He should regress enormously in the second half. I think Soriano will probably bounce back to a degree, but not as much as Cubs fans might hope--he has often looked very sluggish. Still, I expect the Cubs to recover somewhat and give the Cardinals a strong race. Aramis Ramirez's return will help a lot.
Dan Moore (Cardinals): The Cardinals have spent the bulk of the season with such luminaries as Joe Thurston and Skip Schumaker as the offensive second banana. With Colby Rasmus hitting home runs and last year's surprise, Ryan Ludwick, finally finding his bat, that won't be an issue. The Cardinals will have a hitter on either side of Albert Pujols in the second half, but it might still only be two of them.
Sky Kalkman (Moderator): Which big local stories aren't getting as much attention from the national media? Should they be?
Stephen Higdon (Astros): I think the big story for the Astros has been Michael Bourn's outstanding bounce back at the plate. Although he is starting to come back down to earth in the AVG department, his near .360 OBP has been a true boon for the Astros and something that I myself would have never predicted. He has been fairly efficent on the basepaths and in spite of his UZR rating, most defensive metrics have him pegged as one of the better CF in the NL, and it is something you never hear mentioned in the national media. Not that I blame them because it's not like there is much of a reason to pay attention to things that are happening here in the Bayou City on the baseball diamond.
Other noteworthy tidbits would probably be the Astros tremendous struggle to keep the bullpen healthy and the way that LaTroy Hawkins has established himself as a more than capable back-end of the bullpen pitcher in the wake of Valverde's six week hiatus following a calf strain. If the Astros are going to be sellers at the deadline (something I don't think will happen given the bunched standings in the Central) I would imagine that Hawkins will be a prime target for teams looking for someone to help anchor their bullpen; yet he's someone who I hear nothing about, but maybe things will change as the trade deadline gets closer.
Kyle Lobner (Brewers): At the moment, I think the national media is too steadfast in the belief that the Brewers will implode if they don't make a move. Certainly, the Brewer starting rotation struggled through June and early July, but Manny Parra pitched well in his return from AAA and Dave Bush could be back on July 20. If Bush comes back strong, the Brewers would be back to their opening day rotation, which led them to a 33-24 start. They'll do their due dilligence on guys like Roy Halladay, Javier Vazquez et al, but there's a pretty good possibility that this team could contend for a playoff spot without moving anyone.
Al Yellon (Cubs): Best-kept secret in the National League is Randy Wells -- who the Cubs thought so little of a year ago that they let him go in the Rule 5 draft to the Blue Jays. Thanks, Toronto, for sending him back. He's made 11 starts, all but one of them good, and should have three more wins because the bullpen blew games for him (or the Cubs failed to score). He's a genuine Rookie of the Year candidate.
Slyde (Reds): I'm not sure if everyone knows about Joey Votto outside of his "stress-related issues." He's 36 PAs short of qualifying for batting rate stats, but if he did, he'd be 1st in AVG, 3rd in OBP, and 4th in SLG. Also there is the dramatic improvement to the Reds pitching and defense this season. I'd guess that most people still figure the Reds are an offense first team, but they've been getting it done more on the other side of the ball this year. They are middle of the pack in ERA, but given their ballpark, that is a definite step up. Of course, outside of Votto, they can't actually do anything positive on offense to take advantage of the better pitching.
Dan Moore (Cardinals): Rick Ankiel's not a national story now that he's fulfilled the movie narrativeóhe came back, he was very successful for a year, end of national media attention. But he's more or less fallen off the face of the earth this year; if the season ended today, his OPS would be 40 points lower than it was in 2000, his one brilliant season on the mound. He's stayed in the lineup almost by default, because Chris Duncan is hitting nearly as poorly and plays defense like a converted linebacker, but recently he admitted to a lingering injury from that brutal outfield-wall collision. It's a big local story, but it doesn't fit into the Rick Ankiel Narrative.
Sky Kalkman (Moderator): How about ending with one bold prediction we won't hold you accountable for if you're wrong, but we'll worship at your feet for if it comes true?
Al Yellon (Cubs): Alfonso Soriano goes on one of his patented hot streaks, carries the Cubs for a month, and they win the division by five games.
Stephen Higdon (Astros): Cecil Cooper gets fired if the Astros drop more than 2 of their first five series after the break...Manny Acta, keep your phone close.
Slyde (Reds): The Reds trade for both Matt Holliday and Roy Halladay. A confused Dusty Baker bats Halladay fourth and Holliday 9th. When questioned about it, he responds that he actually meant to bat Halladay 2nd so that he could bunt runners over and waste outs in front of Joey Votto.
Charlie Wilmoth (Pirates): Albert Pujols wins the Triple Crown.
Kyle Lobner (Brewers): The division comes down to the last week to ten days of the season, and four teams are within 5-7 games of first place when the season ends.
Dan Moore (Cardinals): Rick Ankiel comes out of the bullpen on the last day of the season, with Todd Wellemeyer on the ropes, and clinches the division championship with a 12-6 curveball across the outside corner. In the words of the Andrews Sisters, I can dream, can't I?
15 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Eh
With as much smack as he and the rest of the people at Bucs Dugout talked about the Astros before the season, I can’t say I don’t take a little bit of delight out of that fact.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 18, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
The Astros are one game above .500 in a weak division, and you’re gloating? Y’all seem to be a funny bunch. :)
I did pick the Pirates to finish six games behind the Astros, by the way.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 19, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You haven't had a winning season since I was preschool
You’ve just traded away everyone good on your team for more youth (something that hasn’t seemed to be working for you guys for a little while now).
Your number one draft pick from last year seems to be developing a pretty awesome propensity to become a challenger for single season strike out record one day.
All of that, you’re going to come on here and question how fans of a team that has improbably put themselves in a position to have a postseason appearance are excited? Maybe it’s just because it’s been so long for you guys, but this is what fans of teams do. We get excited when our team winds up in a favorable positions—even if it’s only because our division is weak. What does it matter if the Central is weak? Being in the divisional race is being in the divisional race, or is it not?
Everyone here more or less agreed to the Community Projection Project that spat out 83 wins, so we all came into the season with pretty reasonable expectations of our team to just be mediocre and not compete. So to find the Astros on pace for that, yet be still relevant…hell yeah we’re going to do something to celebrate.
And I just gloated because it was nice to see your preseason pompousness, in regards to the Astros, deflated. Positive contribution for the farm system in 2009: Check. Michael Bourn and Hunter Pence turning it around by making adjustments to a league that adjusted (or overwhelmed) them: Check. Just about every other thing that you and everyone else said would go wrong with this team not being a direly bad as predicted: Check.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 20, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
You (and by “you” I mean you, not the Astros) seem to have this weird idea that I am the team I root for. If you think I said mean things about the Astros, you should go back through the archives and look at all the incredibly mean things I said about the Pirates, because they deserved it. I picked the Pirates to win 65 games this year. Believe me, no one is more aware of the Pirates’ failings than I am. I am not them, and there’s no contradiction in my believing the Astros franchise is in bad shape and also believing the Pirates are currently a bad team. I just call them like I see them. It’s nothing personal and I’m not trying to shove anything in the faces of Astros fans. Show me an example of me being “pompous” and I’ll show you an example of a guy with a really thin skin.
Point taken re: Bourn. But, as I recall, I never said anything bad about Pence. In fact, I specifically had good things to say about Pence.
And by the way, the Astros’ farm system is still awful. For you to be trumpeting guys like Yorman Bazardo and Polin Trinidad and Edwin Maysonet (this year’s big game against the Pirates notwithstanding) as examples of the resurgence of the farm system is really, really a stretch. Castro and Lyles are good prospects, and Mier looks like he has a decent chance to become one, but other than that there’s not that much there.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 20, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Astros' record is better in the second half for 12 consecutive years....
I saw that statement on another board, I was skeptical enough that I went and checked each season of the Astros at Baseball-Reference.com. And it is true. The last time that the Astros had a better winning percent in the first half of the season was 1996. That is actually fairly incredible. I had always thought of this idea of the Astros as a second half team as a recent phenomona. But the Astros have been doing it for a long time.
Me too
That’s insane.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 18, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if it's true for other "Dome" teams
It seems Twins come on strong every fall. Who else has a roof? Brewers? Blue Jays?
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 18, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
We could be onto something here
You’ve got to exclude the Rays prior to last year, because…well they sucked, but maybe spending about 50% of your time indoors instead of pouring sweat in in the dog days of summer keeps you fresher?
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 18, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't just exclude them because they sucked
Because, theoretically, whatever it is that would (hypothetically) cause other teams to play well in the 2nd half would effect them as well.
I’d take a look at the post-ASB records of teams with domes/roofs since the Astros started playing in the dome (or, I guess if you don’t want to spend all your time on this, you could just look at the past decade or so) and see if there’s a trend. Maybe there is something going on.
Your friendly neighborhood Dream Shake mod.
left out the second part
…and compare those records to the first half. Even if the Rays suck, there should be an effect on how horrible they are, right?
Your friendly neighborhood Dream Shake mod.
Brewers Easy Second Half
Last night I checked ut varius teams remaining schedule. Astros we know face a brutal schedule. I was stunned at the cakewalk the Brewers seme to have (of course they lost last night to the Reds so there really isn’t a gimme schedule) Look at this for July and August (it gets more representative in September):
Reds > Pirates>Braves>Nationals(4games)>Padres>Dodgers>ASTROS>Padres>Astros>Padres>Nationals (4 more games)>Reds >Pirates
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 18, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
Buster Olney on ESPN.com ranks Brewers the easiest schedule
I forgot to add to my initial post that when I opened ESPN.com today, Buster Olney had written a post on the easiest remaining schedule s. Easiest is Brewers.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 18, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Best line
Slyde (Reds): The Reds trade for both Matt Holliday and Roy Halladay. A confused Dusty Baker bats Halladay fourth and Holliday 9th. When questioned about it, he responds that he actually meant to bat Halladay 2nd so that he could bunt runners over and waste outs in front of Joey Votto.
by Timothy De Block on Jul 20, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions

by 























