Mets trade Church for Francouer....
This is funny. Jeff Francouer has been terrible this year...and for a couple of years. Church has been injured some this year, but he is a reasonably useful outfielder. Francouer costs more too. What really makes this funny is to look at the comments at Baseball Think Factory, which is a sabermetric web site with many Mets fans who are regulars. Francouer is kind of like the anti-christ to die hard sabermetrics people. Francouer has been a running joke at BBTF. So, a sample of some of those BBTF Mets' fans comments:
Did you hear Omar's press conference? It was surreal. Basically, they were brainstorming yesterday afternoon, and this guy named "John Rico (sp?)" came up with Jeff Francoeur. Brainstorming and you come up with JEFF FREAKIN' FRANCOEUR? Is this an anti-think tank that Omar employs!?
I stated last night I'd rather have cancer than Redding and Livan.
I think I spoke too soon.
I am ashamed to be a Mets fan.
this isn't a trade, this is a cry for help
(my favorite, above)
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Here's how the Mets 'Amazin Avenue' post on the trade begins
Growing up in Tennessee, most of my friends were Braves fans. I endured some painful moments throughout the 90s. Once Minaya came aboard, however, things improved. The Mets were better than the Braves, a result of the Mets improving and the Braves getting noticeably worse.
I used to talk up Lastings Milledge to them. He’s got range. He can hit for power. Once Lastings comes up, you guys won’t stand a chance. It was partly just me jokingly hyping the legend of an already hilarious persona. Yet, I believed. Milledge had the skills and the upside that few players his age did. When they traded Lastings to the Nationals for Ryan Church and Brian Schneider my friend’s laughed. The player I had constantly been hyping was traded for an outfielder the Nats were benching. It was embarrassing. I told my friends at least he wasn’t Jeff Francoeur. They got off my back.
Yet here we are again. After the Mets traded Milledge for Church they said it was upside for defense and reliability. Now, after trading Church for Francoeur they say it’s reliability for upside. This explanation is just as specious as the first one. Omar Minaya just traded our third best hitter for a Sports Illustrated cover from 2005.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions
this....
this makes no sense. I’m going to make fun of my Mets-fan friends now.
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Typical Mets fa reponses
This is my first post at Amazin Avenue Let me just say that this trade is an uttah disastah (tm Mike Francesa) and it has ruined my weekend before it can even start. I am just severely bummed out right now thanks to this awful trade. Thanks, Omar.
Welcome. You’ve passed initiation.
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Holy God of all creation and time and space This is not happening.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 10, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
Typical Braves fans responses
Mwahahaha! Enjoy New York Frenchy, they’re going to love watching you suck terribly.
by Perrinbar on Jul 10, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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Put Frenchy on suicide watch Mets fans are going to be way more brutal to him, if you think his psyche was weak here, just wait
by Cracker! on Jul 10, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
.I agree Oh boy, this could get ugly.
by McCann Can on Jul 10, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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He’s going to complain about not seeing any pitches to hit while batting ahead of Cora and Santos.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions
Does the mean the Ed Wade Award (Worst NL GM)
Gets to be changed to the Omar Minya award?
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
I like this comment at BBTF from a Braves fan:
For Braves fans this is Liberation day. We now live in a post 7/10 world. This guy terrorized the franchise for five years and there seemed to be no end in sight. And now – poof – he’s gone.
Sorta OT:
but it’s just absolutely unbelievable how Yankees fans overrate their prospects and underrate other team’s players.
I read over at FakeTeams about a possible Halladay to Yanks deal of Montero, Jackson, Robertson and Melky. That’s only possibly barely enough, even though Montero has become a serious hitting prospect…without a position. Then a Yanks fan in the comments thinks that they should wouldn’t trade two top prospects, so removes Montero with Romine, a more traditional less-hitting catcher and Melky or Jackson with Zach McAlister. Romine/Jackson/Robertson/McAlister.
It’s as awesome as the McAlister for Pence deal at Pinstripe Alley.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
I wish
there were some sort of guide out there chronicling what the general “value” of a certain player and contract is. So, for instance, you could look at what a trade for a pitcher like Halladay usually includes. It wouldn’t be anything precise, but it would be cool to see.
So instead of somebody saying something like, “Let’s trade Sammy Gervacio for Roy Halladay,” they could go look at this guide and see that, back in 1998, the Astros traded two good prospects and a great one (Garcia) to Seattle for three months of Randy Johnson, and three months of Randy Wolf required something closer to Gervacio (Reineke).
I think that would at least cut down on some of the stupid trade ideas out there.
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This is an interesting idea
my first reaction was to suggest WAR…but that only works in those rare trades where you are trading only guys with major league experience. This Frenchy-Church trade is one of those ( for the record, Church = +0.4 WAR, Frenchy = -0.6 WAR).
I found myself looking for just such a database/guide last season when thinking about a Wiggy trade and had to do a good bit of digging before I landed on 3B Casey Blake for catcher Carlos Santana and RHP John Meloan.
the trade ideas proposed by fans....
often become very unrealistic when they involve prospects. Fans tend to over value their own team’s prospects, and sometimes fail to distinguish between run of the mill minor leaguers and prospects. Even going back and looking at old trades can be deceiving because teams place high values on prospects now more than ever. Given the economy and teams’ greater emphasis on team controlled players, teams are reluctant to let go of premium prospects. It’s not like the old days when teams like the Pirates and Expos regularly gave away players at the deadline.
on the other hand
the Royals just gave away two decent prospects for less than nothing, so maybe we’re seeing a return to the bad old days.
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