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Astros drop a heartbreaker to the Tigers 4-3

We could pin this on fan interference, but at the end of the day, Jose Valverde blew the save.  I'm not sure what hurts worse: Former Astro Josh Anderson dealing the final blow? or my brain trying to wrap my mind around the Darin Erstad for Lee, Matt Kata for Erstad, Jason Michaels for Geoff Blum switches at the end of the game (not to mention the line up or Ortiz being allowed to hit to throw another 1/3 of an inning)?

Russ Ortiz had a strong outing: 7.1 IP, 5K, 0BB, 6H, 2ER and it was squandered.  There are positives to take away because the bull pen wasn't stretched and the Brewers, Cardinals, and Cubs are en route to losses right now.

I could write more, but I don't want to take away from the power of this graphic, which demonstrates Valvede's astounding -.662 WPA for the day:

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via www.fangraphs.com

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I couldn't bring myself to watch the post game press conference

Did anyone catch what was said?

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“this hurts really, really bad. this hurts worse than any game this year. but we will come back for the next game.”

something to that effect. nothing else really said.

by clack on Jun 28, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there any way we can make a permanent thread where we keep track of the weird moves and managerial errors that Coop makes on a game-by-game basis?

Things like ill-conceived sac bunts and letting the pitcher bat with a man on third and Miguel Tejada on the bench.

by AstroAndy on Jun 28, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if you're serious

I can make a post and have be permanently linked under “TCB Originals”

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 28, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at the game

and just realizing that our team was about to end a 4-2 homestand with a win and some momentum going into next week, and suddenly Inge silenced the park and simultaneously brought everyone back down to earth. This team appears to be picking it up lately, but losing these close games like the one today can bring a man to an early grave…and it’s not even July. As for Cooper, it is easy to criticize the moves he makes because he has made so many questionable ones (How many times has Lee been taken out with a 1 run lead? WHY BAT PENCE 6th?) But he is still learning how to manage a ballclub, and we will just have to live with that until he finds what works or until the front office loses their patience.

by backstop8 on Jun 28, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cooper played in the major leagues for 17 seasons. He was the bench coach in Milwaukee for a year, managed a AAA club for two years, then was a bench coach under Garner for about a year and a half. He’s helmed the Astros for over a year and a half. He’s basically been a baseball man for life.

Now I’m a guy who subscribes to the “You can learn something new every day” philosophy of life. But Coop should have learned game mechanics by now. Handling players is something that could take a while to learn, I’ll admit. But it shouldn’t take too long to learn that you only get 27 outs and they’re very valuable…so don’t give the green light to every guy who gets on the basepaths, and don’t call for a sacrifice bunt every time you get a guy on first with no outs.

I think the time is up on his learning curve.

by AstroAndy on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it shouldn’t take too long to learn that you only get 27 outs and they’re very valuable

To be fair, it seems that the vast majority of managers, executives, and fans in baseball history never figured that out. And it was something that had to be rediscovered every generation (Branch Rickey’s teams in 40s and 50s; Earl Weaver’s O’s in the 60s and 70s; Bill James in the 70s, 80s, and 90s; the A’s in the 2000s).

Your friendly neighborhood Dream Shake mod.

by Only_A_Lad on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ignorance is no excuse. If Richard Justice knows it, it should be required knowledge for the manager of a baseball team.

But you make a good point…baseball “wisdom” often runs in cycles, and it’s difficult to get managers to go against popular thought among managers.

by AstroAndy on Jun 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and it’s difficult to get managers to go against popular thought among managers.

Yeah, that’s what I was trying to say. I don’t mean to excuse his strategy – he’s costing the Astros wins, after all, and being in line with “conventional wisdom” doesn’t mitigate that – only show that a manager who really has figured out that outs are important isn’t common.

Your friendly neighborhood Dream Shake mod.

by Only_A_Lad on Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny Acta is one of the uncommon ones

A short while back when there were rumors of Manny Acta being fired, I saw this quote from Acta, and I crossed my fingers and hoped that we would land him:

There are 27 outs (in each game) and they are precious. I know that you guys (bloggers) being involved in doing what you do, you do a lot of research and stuff. But the average guy at home still doesn’t go out of his way to understand that just running into outs is not good. You don’t run to run. You don’t bunt to bunt. You run and you bunt when it makes sense. And that’s the way I do things.

by AstroAndy on Jun 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, Acta's said stuff like that since he was hired. There was at least one FJM post about him, if I remember right.

And it seems like he follows that. Lisa Grey at MVN said she thought Acta was actually fairly high up on the Astros’ list of potential replacements for Cooper, partially because he’s a former Astros minor-leaguer and coach.

Your friendly neighborhood Dream Shake mod.

by Only_A_Lad on Jun 28, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went poring through the archives to find proof that Justice understands that outs are valuable. I know that he knows this because one of Justice’s go-to topics when he runs out of ideas is his Earl Weaver stories. I thought I’d found the proof…an article entitled Bunting Is Bad Business. And here’s what I find:

I spent a couple of hours Wednesday afternoon asking an assortment of baseball people, including players, stat guys and Cooper himself, about this strategy.

They convinced me that there’s a lot more gray area than I was willing to admit 24 hours ago. Yes, the math says a bunt is the wrong move in that situation, especially with a career .297 hitter at the plate. What the numbers don’t explain is that it’s still a game of emotion, and at that point, Cooper’s thinking was the Astros needed to get something going.

He felt — and others agree — that if the Astros could get one run across, the flood gates would open, players would relax and things would get back to normal.

This was from April 2008. Coop must not have changed RJ’s mind too much, though, because he replied to one of the commenters with the following:

I’m not giving you my opinion. I’m giving you facts based on volumes of data. Bunting in that situation is bad baseball.—Richard

by AstroAndy on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Valverde Blew!

I place all this on Valverde.He had to go afterThames! 0-3 and not doing well at all this series and Valverde pitches around him on outside corner? The" Decisions" at the end by Coop are mind blowing for even the casual fan. I think my boss manages our softball team better and he is baaaaad! And speaking of “casual fans” did you see the yank fan mess up the foul catch for the mets? Why can’t our fans be as smart? People all around him should have been Screaming to leave it alone! Welcome to Houston “Bartman”

by Cor on Jun 28, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way Jose!

He’s got to go!

by fob22 on Jun 28, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't follow today's Astro game

but Brandon Inge hit a huge clutch HR against the Brewers and Cubs in their series as well.

by ol Pete on Jun 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually

had just gotten through ripping Cooper to my buddy at the game for several of his ill-advised moves of late, including batting Pence 6th behind Blum, with Keppinger in the 2-hole. Batting Ortiz though, was a move I actually decided I could stand by. First off, I’m assuming that Tejada was given the kind of off day, where Cooper didn’t want him to even pinch-hit and wanted him to just sit at the end of the bench and take both a mental and physical day off. I’m fine with this, if that’s the case. We’ve got 14 games (15 if you count the postponed game against Washington) over the next 14 days, so guys will need breaks, and if Cooper wants to tell me that he likes giving guys the day off even from pinch-hitting, I won’t begrudge him that. So I’m assuming Tejada was not available. That leaves Kata, Michaels, Erstad, and Quintero. Ortiz isn’t really THAT much of a step down at the plate from any of those guys. If there were less than two outs, I might have put up more of a protest. And allowing Ortiz to pitch to Everett in the top of the next inning meant Cooper could force Leyland’s hand with his pinch-hitter before having to go to his pen. Leyland went with his lefty, so Coop was able to come back with Byrdak and allow him to face the only two left-handed hitters in the lineup. It worked beautifully and Coop got an easy inning in the 8th. Given the odds of getting that run on 3rd base with two outs and our bench-hitters (sans Tejada), I’m fine with the way Cooper managed that inning.

Now, continuing to replace Lee with Erstad in close games, WHERE LEE WOULD BE THE FIRST HITTER TO BAT IN THE BOTTOM OF THE INNING, is much less defensible in my mind.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 29, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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