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Kansas City Royals at Houston Astros, Jun 24, 2009 7:05 PM CDT

Kansas City Royals at Houston Astros, Jun 24, 2009 7:05 PM CDT



Current Series

Royals lead the series 1-0

Tue 06/23 WP: Zack Greinke ( - )
SV: Joakim Soria
LP: Russ Ortiz ( - )
1 - 2 loss
Thu 06/25 1:05 PM CDT


Luke Hochevar

#44 / Pitcher / Kansas City Royals

6-5

210

R

R

Sep 15, 1983



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Luke Hochevar 2-3 6 6 1 0 0 0 31.1 33 25 23 4 12 12 6.61 1.44


Roy Oswalt

#44 / Pitcher / Houston Astros

6-0

190

R

R

Aug 29, 1977



W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2009 - Roy Oswalt 3-4 15 15 1 0 0 0 90.1 98 45 45 13 26 67 4.48 1.37



The Astros need to celebrate Mier's signing with a win behind the Wizard.  

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Hmm...

Keppinger over Maysonet at 3d base, even though a RHP is on the mound.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

and Matsuit over Maysonet at 2nd, even though Matsui sucks.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

despite the single

it was awfully nice of the Royals to put DeJesus at the top of the order like that.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Hochevar starts with 2 consecutive K's.

The Royals’ pitcher appears to have a dandy breaking pitch tonight. Astros’ players can’t make contact.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

"speed truck washing"

Oh, JD. You so crazy.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I want that bust

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

seems like Hochevar

is using last year’s book on Pence.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

LSU just walked in a run

After three BB and this BB was a ridiculous 10+ pitch AB.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Texas -LSU game is exciting

Longhorns load the bases in first and third. Took like forever to finally scoe a run – but did get 2 runs somehow in the third.

LSU Leads 4-2 but there will be many more runs scored from the looks of things

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The LSU pitcher

Just seemed gassed at the end. Such a long frame.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I so knew he was going to try that

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

whew

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

really stupid to go for an inside the park HR with no outs.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

but

it’s ballsy. And that’s awesome

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Idiot tried for inside the park homerun

and gunned down easily!!!!!!!

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno

he almost made it

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

had he not slowed down

he might have scored

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was a terrible play, though, with no outs. the odds of scoring from 3d base with no outs is pretty high. he had to think his percentages of scoring on the inside the park were very high to make it worthwhile.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the other side

Bourn seems lackadaisical going up Tal’s Hill

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how it is for you guys

For me it goes ESPN, ESPN 2, FSN three baseball games, all a click away…it’s over load.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I've got Longhorns on ESPN.

Astros on Internet ,
and am eating my freshly grilled hamburgers.

Oh yeah – and followoing The Crawfish Boxes

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat

Only I just finished the freshly grilled burger.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course

that was a great example of the ridiculous dimensions in CF

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Pudge seems like

He could go for a few days off.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

with the way every Astros hitter is swinging....

it looks like that they could all go for a day off.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey

let’s not make it tough on them or anything.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Mmmmmm

Gotta love facing the minimum.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

at this rate, the game might be over by 8:30.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I would do with that hour of my life back?

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Keith Law tweeted it was a done deal this morning, the Heck denied it. So I posted the denial to clear up the confusion. Then I get home from the post office, no more than 30 minutes later (damn post office lines) and suddenly it’s a deal.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

you misunderstand me
in spite of twitter what said

forget it, I’m feeling snarky today.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh

I see it now. I suck.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

nuh-uh

you mean “I see now it. Suck I”

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want some slack cut

I’m sick which only compounds my normal inability to edit anything I read on computer screen.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

on a* computer screen

FML

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

error on Keppinger

and it turns into trouble, as a double follows.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

you know

his defense this season is really making me hate Carlos. It just seems to be even worse this season. I am so tired of seeing him lazily jog towards balls bouncing around in the corner.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

but that’s not nearly as horrible to me as his crap in the field. The light stroll towards first base might cost the Astros a few runs per season. That sucks, but he makes up for it with other hitting skills.

But his defense is so awful, and he just doesn’t seem to give a shit.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come Roy!!!!

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

fucking wizard

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Strikeout with the bases loaded

That takes care of things

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Beautiful

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

rec-ed

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to play a tennis match pretty soon. I would like to see the Astros get a hit before I leave.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not going anywhere

and I’d like to see that too.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm turning my clothes inside-out as we speak

Didn’t work against the cubs last year, but whatever.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could employ my 2005 NLDS strategy

And start stripping

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

if I get back from my tennis match, and find out the Astros had a no hitter...

tossed against them….I will be pissed. And, I’m not even mentioning that it is a perfect game for Hochevar so far.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need to get JD and Brownie to immediately start talking about it on the air

To jinx Hochevar.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

according to Brown

The Astros have scored less than 3 runs in 20/35 of the their home games

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Two Tied games

Astros – Royals – 0-0

Longhorns -Tigers —4-4

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh dang

How’d the Horns get those runs?

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

HOMERUN (for last two runs) i fifth inning

Ground out and walked in run in third inning

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was the HR I missed

Thanks

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by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hochevar might not be the ugliest pitcher the Astros have gotten no-hit by in the past few years

but he seems like he’d be the least douchebaggy.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

It's the five-year anniversary of the Beltran trade

I do love hating that SOB.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Tomorrow's the anniversary

of Chacon’s “incident” with Wade.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Awesome

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carlos you idiot

What the hell are you doing trying for two

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Carlos

I…

I have no idea what to fucking say about that.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

at least I can stop wearing my pants inside-out.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

wow

Butler’s surprisingly fleet-of-foot

He was safe, btw.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

christ, Roy

don’t do that….

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

shit

bloop hit into shallow center
1-0 blue dudes

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Rough inning for Astros and Longhorns

Royals score 1 to take the lead

Tigers score 2 to take the lead
Royals and Tigers still batting

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Roy Oswalt

over 100 pitches and they were hard pitches. I’d be surprised if he returns for the seventh inning

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

Erstad is in the on-deck circle.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Astros finally get a baserunner

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

huh

interesting play

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

least expected thing

I’ve seen all year.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

fuck small ball

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

PINCH Homer - Erstad

2 runs to give Roy a chance to win this game

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Hunter walks

Hochevar kept throwing him sliders outside and low, but he only swung at that pitch once. That’s what I meant by the “2008 book” thing.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, how I've missed you, Fighty

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

This game

has been a comedy of errors.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Farnsworth

In pain

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Wright could be Hochevar's brother

it’s the ears.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

maysonet sighting

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

WHAAAT????!

Of course Coop just uses him to bunt.

by entropic soul on Jun 24, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he bunts

how frustrating for him

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

god, he's going to do it

I just know it.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

why?

Maysonet’s fast. Kaz is fast. The top of the order is coming up. CUT IT OUT.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

I still love Tejada’s walk up music.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

don't love his discipline

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Error Berkman

I want to say Buckman

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Does Valverde’s delivery look a little weird to anyone else? I think he’s cocking his wrist as part of his windup?

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

YESSS!!!

I LOVE YOU YOU CRAPPY PLAYER

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

oh fuck you, ump

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

alright

fine

it was off the wall

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

WOW

Jason Michaels great catch (or did he?) and then doubled off the runner at first – Wait – now umpires say NO CATCH!!!!!!!

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Coop better get himself thrown out

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

impressive save by Pudge

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

fuck

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Everybody take a deep breath

Roy loses the W, but we can still get a team W.

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Reason #4,591,268

That wins are stupid.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Jun 24, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tie game

Royals still battig with 2 runners

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

or

Carlos, who played terrible defense
Miggy, who played poor defense
All the hitters who couldn’t get on freaking base

One unlucky play does not a game make.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does in the 9th inning...

when you’re winning by 1 and the game would be over now because there are two outs, but instead it’s tied with bases loaded.

by entropic soul on Jun 24, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actuall

Buckner’s error is a spectacular example of my point.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so down

Bases loaded for KC
 Longhorns trail 11-4 in the ninth
Sinking

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

The “ball bouncing off a wall in the field of play cannot be caught for an out” rule is stupid…that’s harder to do than catching it in the air…it should count for two outs!

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, that’s what we would have done in middle school…
“Does anybody know the rule on that? No? OK, let’s make it worth two outs, but if you hit that tree over there, you double your runs”

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

as a former Tulane student

and current UT student…

fuck LSU

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny.

They all flew out to the guy who hit the game tying RBI

by entropic soul on Jun 24, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

zOMG

the failed Moneyball script has been leaked

http://deadspin.com/5302144/billy-beane-is-a-golden-god-excerpts-from-the-scrapped-moneyball-script/gallery/

oh, and Pena just stabbed us all in our hearts.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

jesus christ

you all have to read this thing

From the opening scene:

we reach an underground room – a danke and desolate purgatory – where a solitary figure bench-presses weights with the intensity of a soul expiating sins.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh - rewrite please

that’s horrible

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it Roger Clemens?

He seems like he would press weights with the intensity of a soul expiating sins.

by entropic soul on Jun 24, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Model tells Terrell Owens to shut up

This has nothing to do with baseball but in case you like a foul mouthed model tell Terrell Owens to shut up, this is for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmPfLRsx_Bs

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

YES!!!!!!

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Dave Clark is ballsy

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Scored by an eyebrow

to tie the game!!!!!!

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

dammit

so close, Michael

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

fucking miggy

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Second time tonight

Tejada had a terrible swing at thied strike

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Astros fan for life

and all the heartache associated with that, and you can’t take an extra-innings game in June?

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've still got the game on

I’m just checking the minor league scores now

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

JD suggests Coop walk the next two dudes

sure. Why the hell not? It would probably get Soria out, I suppose.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Second guy popped out to Bourn in shallow center

The question now is Will Astros score in the bottom of the inning?

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If recent history tells us anything

Yes, they will score one run to tie it up and then give up a homer in the first pitch of the next inning

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soria's out of the game, regardless

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Why is Michaels on the MLB roster? ...

Someone please explain .. he doesn’t even have a chance

by Rhombus67 on Jun 24, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

dunno

go find Wade and ask him.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 24, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am so sick

of watching the team blow it so after many chances to win. I normaly am a very mild mannered when watching the stros but this is horrible i mean WTF pudge if the guy is checking to see where ur lined up call for a FB high and tight and you won’t have your pitcher being hung out to dry(although not really a good pitch anyways), and Berkman my God if you are going to prove that ur still playin hard even if your manager is an idiot then u might want to follow baseball fundementals and put your golve on the ground. and coop where i know Ersytad finally came through( Finally) but WTF Roy was cruising, but you will look smart because Erstad hit a homer(Even a blind Squirl finds a nut).

by Z-Dub on Jun 24, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

ASTROS LOSE 4-3

too numb to hurt

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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 24, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I came home to see an extra inning loss. at least I spent some time reading that moneyball script. some of it sounds funny.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I read the entire thing

I see why it was shelved. The Bill James cameo’s are just ridiculous.

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by Stephen Higdon on Jun 25, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

He comes off like the unibomber

writing crazy screeds from his bedroom, lecturing the audience.

The biggest problem that the script has, I think, is that it is trying to mimic the format of the book too much. So it has these halting documentary moments when James is glowering at his typewriter/audience or whatever and his voiceover tells us why batting average and errors suck. Then we segue back into the “action,” and the whole thing just feels weird.

I mean, there’s a good way to introduce sabermetrics to the audience, and it’s the same way Beane was introduced to it: Sandy Alderson. Alderson was secretly using all these ideas that James was advocating, and he taught Beane everything he knew.

Maybe if the story is told in a more chronological fashion, moving from Beane as a high schooler to 2002, the whole thing would come across better. We could see Beane fail in a more understandable fashion (in the script, we just see a flashback of him striking out and getting cut from teams; well, that and the Dykstra cameo), then we could get a less weird method for explaining Bill James’ ideas.

Part of the problem is that Moneyball (the book) tries to tell three stories:

1) The A’s vs. the Yankees, Red Sox, etc.
2) The “nerds” vs. the “traditionalists”
3) The young players vs. the scouts.

And, in the book, all of these come across very well. The first story is pretty obvious, and we find out how the A’s take on the wealthy teams almost completely. The second comes across in the “exposition” parts of the book (the bits about James and STATS inc.), as well as in the arguments between Beane/Podesta and the scouting department.

The third is stated explicitly at a few points in the book, but it’s a big subtext throughout the whole thing. Lewis insinuates (though he might very well have flat-out stated it; it’s been a while since I’ve read the book) that Beane’s attraction to stats and aversion to subjective evaluation stems from his failure in professional baseball; he didn’t want other kids to go through what he went through because some scout imagined he could be a star in some heat-stroke induced fantasy.

In the script, though, none of this but the first story is really explored (we get James, the broadcasters, and Morgan for the 2nd, but very little of it seems to fit; the most we ever really get is Art Howe’s speech, and that was just stupid). And even that isn’t very interesting. What’s introduced doesn’t go anywhere, anyways.

I think you could make a good book that tells Moneyball’s story, but you can’t just copy the book’s rhythm, and you have to make more of the picture about the characters. We get that to some degree with Beane, de Podesta, and Hatteburg, but that’s it.

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by Only_A_Lad on Jun 25, 2009 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

here is a writer who read the script and kind of liked it...

His take is that the first and last scene are very good, but the middle part isn’t a great. He thinks the script works pretty well.

I like your idea about tying the story to Bean’s formative years as a young prospect. I think a traditional narrative “chronology” might be called for when the project itself is a subject which is difficult to commercialize.

As for the “unibomber” feel to the James character, the analogy probably isn’t that far off, in terms of a Hollywood story line. To many people, James would seem to be strangely obssessed, as he wrote his articles during his boring hours as a night watchman, and then mimeographed them for a cult of followers.

by clack on Jun 25, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

the only suspense to look forward to now...

is to see whether Cooper is going to lose it in his press conference.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Cooper didn’t say much of note. “this loss is disappointing.” He said the Astros struggle at home and he doesn’t know why.

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pudge's comments.

He used the classic Biggio line: “That’s baseball.”

He was asked about some angry words he had with the Royals bench near the end of the game. He wouldn’t say what he said to them. “That stays on the field.”

by clack on Jun 24, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty professional comment about it staying on the field. Keeps from creating bulletin board material, anyway. And less likely to get the ol’ chin music tomorrow.

But I’d still like to know what happened out there.

by AstroAndy on Jun 24, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I missed a lot of the game....

so I don’t know what was going on. Were the Royals doing something to show up the Astros? Steve Sparks said it wasn’t surprising that Pudge didn’t want to make it bulletin board material. However, Sparks said he saw Pudge saying something to the Royals’ first baseman like “if that’s the way you want to play the game, then we can make sure you have a long day tomorrow.”

by clack on Jun 25, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just watching the highlight shows

Pudge had a problem with the Royals catcher peek at him giving the signs. I’d think there has to be more to it than that.

by ol Pete on Jun 25, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

simultaneous post.

The no-peeking thing is one of those unwritten rules, and I think Pudge especially expected Pena to abide by it since he was the catcher.

by AstroAndy on Jun 25, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

I would learn how to say “you can kiss my ass” in Spanish.

by ol Pete on Jun 25, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

My best guess

I think when Pena was batting, he may have been trying to peek at where Pudge was setting up. Pudge started jawing at him in the middle of the at-bat and at one point put a finger in his chest, although it didn’t look too confrontational.

by AstroAndy on Jun 25, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes, that may explain it.

the unwritten code is that someone who “peeks” in an obvious fashion gets a pitch in the ribs. that has been known to happen often enough that if someone peeks, it isn’t obvious.

I read something recently about an opposing team airing complaints about A-Rod. Supposedly, he was yelling “code words” from the batting circle to alert the Yankees batter on the location of the catcher. He may have gotten thrown at in the game, I can’t recall. This struck me as humorous, given A-Rod’s history (e.g., the allegation a few years ago that, as a base runner on 3d base, he called “I got it” when the rookie 3d baseman tried to catch a pop up, causing an error).

by clack on Jun 25, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

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