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Fernando Nieve


The 26 year old righty started his second game for the mets and had a line of 6IP 3H 1ER 3BB 4K against the Rays. That start comes on the heels of his start at Yankee Stadium when he went 6.2 IP 4H 2ER 2BB 2K. He's now 2-0 with a 1.84 ERA on the season and only 3 wins behind Wandy who has 5 to lead the Astros. Talk about frustrating. I don't think he'll keep up that pace but to see a young guy pitching like that is a stinger.

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No, I doubt that Nieve can maintain that kind of ERA over the long term. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he turns into a serviceable 5th starter with a low to mid-4’s ERA. The Astros didn’t wait long enough to see if his performance would return from TJ surgery. (I’m not suggesting they gave up on him quickly…just that he apparently took awhile to get his command back and the Astros gave him up before he did.)

I have the feeling that he was let go for some kind of conflict with the management or coaching staff. That would explain why he was cut so early in minor league camp.

by clack on Jun 20, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well, as I recall

the Astros were basically trying to sneak him through waivers down to the minors. They didn’t want to let him go, but (as you say) he didn’t have his command yet.

Your friendly neighborhood Dreamshake mod.

by Only_A_Lad on Jun 20, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that was likely...

mostly based on my assumption that the Astros wanted to keep a young pitcher like Nieve. But the Astros never said that. They put him on irrevocable waivers, which didn’t allow him to be pulled back if he was claimed. The more I think about it, I lean to the speculation that the Astros let him go because of some kind of conflict. Shortly before he was waived, Richard Justice had a vague blog entry about Nieve getting angry about Cooper removing him from a spring game after he walked two batters (I can’t recall the particulars of what he did, and it was vague anyway). Nieve might have left the facility, I don’t know.

I didn’t think much of it at the time, but it was shortly after that when he was released.

by clack on Jun 20, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is just a copy-and-paste from my comment on the post about Nieve being claimed by the Mets

Nieve’s Spring Training Stats
4.2 Innings Pitched, 6 Earned Runs (11.45 ERA), 8 Hits, 6 Walks, 1 Strikeout, 1 Wild Pitch, 1 Balk

If that’s the kind of stuff you’re bringing to "high noon," then maybe we’re better off giving more looks to the Royals Rejects.

Just for some additional perspective, here’s his stats from AAA last year:
72.1 Innings Pitched, 5.72 ERA (5.04 Fielding Independent Pitching), 1.58 WHIP, 4 Wild Pitches, 3 Hit-By-Pitches. His strikeout and walk rates were pretty decent, but he’s been unable to get results in the run-prevention department.

At this point in the pre-season, we need pitchers, not just "pitching candidates". And despite all the talk from management about him being a starter, he’s long been viewed as more bullpen material, an area that we’ve got pretty well covered. [6/20 Heh. Boy was I wrong – AstroAndy]

I hope he does well for the Mets, just not against us.

by AstroAndy on Jun 20, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well looking at his spring training stats from AAA and early spring training...

isn’t really worthwhile. He was recovering from TJ surgery last year. And he came down with the nasal blockage / sleep apnea during the season which caused them to change their usage of him until he could have surgery for that this last off season. I wouldn’t expect his numbers to be good in AAA last year, given his TJ surgery. Look at Russ Ortiz’s AAA stats last year…they aren’t indicative because he was recovering from Tommy John. If you are going to base a decision to keep a player in your system no the basis of 4.2 innings of spring training, you will make a lot of errors, for obvious reasons.

by clack on Jun 20, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure you know I know about small sample warnings, but the 4 spring training innings is one indicator that Nieve’s control wasn’t completely back. It’s very likely that the decision to try to sneak him through waivers was based as much on his bullpen sessions and work with Dewey Robinson. If he looked good in practice, those games wouldn’t (I’m assuming) have been the reason he got sent back down.

The tough part to swallow is that the Mets decided to send him to the minors before the season started, too…all the way down to AA, in fact…and they succeeded.

Nieve has really good stuff, but I imagine the NL East isn’t terribly familiar with him…we’ll see how his results look down the road when they’ve seen him a couple more times. Like I said, I hope he does well, just not against us.

by AstroAndy on Jun 20, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the most impressive thing

was that his first start came at Yankee Stadium. Still it seems foolish that the Astros placed him on irrevocable waivers. If he wasn’t going to make the team, they probably could have at least traded Nieve to the Mets for a lower-level prospect.

by jmike on Jun 22, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

An update

Well…Nieve pitched last night and went 6 innings against the Cards allowing 3 hits 0 runs walking 4 and struck out 5. His ERA is now 1.31 and hes 3-0. Meanwhile, Brian Moehler starts for the Astros today. Awesome.

by Astrofan on Jun 25, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And so begins

the regression towards the mean

didn’t see the game, but since 9 of the 12 baserunners he allowed didn’t score in the four innings he worked, it appears he was lucky to get away with only 3 runs.

i don’t want the kid not to succeed, but i’d hate for him to turn into an example that people will turn to as a blunder of Astros management mistreating young talent, when of course all context will be lost by then (as for many, it already has).

by littlevisigoth on Jun 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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