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Astros Draft Preview - Part Three: Pitching Preferences

This is part 3 of my Astros draft preview.  Below the jump, we look at the kinds of pitchers taken by both the Brewers and the Astros during Bobby Heck's time in those teams' scouting departments. 

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Doesn't Take College Pitching Early

If we look at the players taken by the Brewers from 2000 to 2007, we begin to see their dislike for taking college pitchers early in the draft.  In 2000, 2001, and 2002, the Brewers took their first college pitcher with the 81st, 88th, and 79th overall picks, respectively.  This equates to roughly a late second-round, early third-round pick.  In these "early years", they didn't much care for taking a college pitcher with an early pick.  But after that, this dislike became even more pronounced.  Here's where their first college pitcher picks fell in subsequent drafts:

Year

First College Pitcher (overall)

2003

159th

2004

76th

2005

145th

2006

182nd

2007

191st

 It's pretty clear that in Bobby Heck's time with the Brewers that the team did not like to draft college pitchers very highly.  This aversion did not necessarily extend to high school pitchers, though.  They took Mark Rogers, Jeremy Jeffress, and Mike Jones with their first-round picks in 2004 (5th overall), 2006 (16th overall), and 2001 (12th overall).  Further, they took high-schoolers Yovani Gallardo with the 46th overall pick in 2004 and Will Inman with the 85th overall pick in 2005. 

This tendency appears to have carried over to the Astros as well.  Despite drafting high school pitchers in the 1st and 3rd supplemental rounds, they didn't draft a college pitcher until pick number 152 in the 5th round (Dave Duncan, LHP). 

This is partly a wise strategy, at least according to Victor Wang over at The Hardball Times.  Wang looked at the picks from 1-100, and split them into college and high school hitters and pitchers.  He then looked at the average Wins Above Bench (WAB) during the 6 cost-controlled years in the majors.  He did this for three tiers of picks:  1-30, 31-70, and 71-100 overall.  What he found was that in picks 1-30, hitters (both college and high school) provided roughly 50% more value than college pitchers and over twice as much value as high-school pitchers.  But after that 30th pick, the values fall off the table.  In the middle tier all achieve roughly the same amount of value, with college hitters maintaining a slight edge.  Beyond the 70th pick, college hitters approach replacement player value, with college pitchers and high school hitters maintaining decent value. 

The optimal draft strategy, from Victor Wang's research, would be to take a hitter in the first round, whether college or high school, and to stock up on pitching thereafter.  One interesting result from Wang's research was that, at every stage, college pitching provided more value than high school pitching.  The difference was marginal in the later two tiers, but still, college pitching gave more value. 

One possible explanation for the Brewers'/Heck's early high school pitching picks could be that they prefer their higher-dollar draft bonus pitchers to go through the organization's pitching program at an earlier age.  That way, they don't pick up bad habits in college or put their arm health at risk on a competitive college club.  Of course that explanation is just speculation.  But it may provide an interesting question to ask the next time JdJO does an online chat with someone from the scouting department.                

Possibly Prefers Righties Early

There's a running joke on baseball boards that if you throw with your left hand, there are 30 teams that are willing to let you try pitching from their mound.  But it doesn't appear that the Brewers/Heck like to take left-handed pitchers early in the draft.  The last time the Brewers/Heck took a lefty in the first 100 overall picks was Dane Artman with the 81st overall pick back in 2000.  Since then, they've taken 9 RHP in the top 100 picks.  Given that the ratio of first round righties to first round lefties from all teams has been roughly 2.5 to 1 over the last decade, the Brewers/Heck early righty choices may be statistically significant.

Who Fits the Profile?

What does this mean for this year's draft?  I went through and picked out a handful of high-school righties that may be around when the Astros get their pick:

Mychal Givens - A shortstop who recently converted to pitching, throws hard (tops out at around 94 mph), but since he's new to pitching, he still needs polish.
Garrett Gould - a guy who's just now getting noticed, so there's little scouting available on him.  6'4", 190-200 lbs.  Fastball in the low-90's, and he's reportedly got a changeup and a huge curveball.
Matt Hobgood - a big-bodied power pitcher with a lively fastball and an excellent curve.  Has a high ceiling but will need to develop a third pitch to reach his full potential in the rotation.
Madison Younginer - Fastball in the mid- to upper-90's, though his secondary stuff isn't nearly as good (leading many to think he's a bullpen arm).  Reportedly wants more than slot money. 

 

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I’m wondering if the Astros might target a college pitcher with their 1st pick, since they will probably help them on the major league level quicker. Then go for a high upside pick in later rounds. I’m not sure if thats what their strategy last year but they did take a college player with less upside first, then went with high schooler later. Although using last year is a small sample size, it is the only year the Heck was in charge of a draft. I don’t think that Drayton will ever let Ed Wade rebuild. Wade and Heck may agree to go for short term talent early to help with job security.

by kelseywake on May 27, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Drafting high school pitchers puts more pressure...

on the organization’s pitching instructional staff. If the organization has very good, coherent pitching instruction, it could be a good thing. If the instruction is relatively weak, it would seem to me that more polished college pitchers might be the better way to go. I really don’t know how good the Astros’ organization is on this score. However, I’m leary, given McLane’s penchant for cutting corners on cost, particularly in areas which aren’t easily visible.

My recollection is that Travis Driskill is the pitching coach in Lexington, where the 08 drafted prep pitchers are in the rotation. He must be relatively new to the coaching business, since was pitching for Round Rock only two years ago. Since he pitched in Round Rock for 3 years, I assume he has a good understanding of the Astros’ pitching philosophy. Based on his young pitchers’ results so far, I can’t fault him.

by clack on May 27, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston's Pitching Development Program

During last year’s draft over at spikes ‘n’ stars, Noe in Austin had some great posts about Houston’s relatively unique pitching development program. Apparently they have a Pitching Bible, developed originally by Vern Ruhle and later refined by Dewey Robinson, and I get the impression that Tal Smith is a big proponent of it as well. Back when Tim Purpura was here, he gave a lot of credit to Dewey’s work on the program in developing Lidge, Oswalt, and Wade Miller. Driskill as the pitching coach in Lexington makes a whole lot of sense because he’d be familiar with the pitching program.

From what I can gather, the program evaluates young pitchers not by looking at performance stats (ERA, K’s, etc.), but instead on pitches per inning, looking for an average around 11. The idea is that they teach the young guys to be aggressive and to throw strikes…to not nibble at the corners on an 0-2 count, for instance.

It’s hard to judge how well the program works since it requires not just having a pitching program in place, but for the guys to buy into the program as well. From the sounds of it, Jason Hirsh and Tim Redding are two guys who didn’t want to follow the program. Instead of putting the ball in the zone and using their defense, or perfecting their changeups, they looked for strikeouts. You might recall Redding having some ridiculous K rates in the minors…but when he got to the big leagues, those rates fell and he didn’t have nearly the success people were predicting for him. Redding eventually went back down to the minors and learned to pitch in someone else’s system. Hirsh has yet to put together a season in the majors that comes even close to what he did in Corpus and Round Rock.

In the end, it comes back down to drafting well and drafting lucky. I know Ed Wade has said that they have an 8-point system for evaluating potential draftees, and some of those points involve mental makeup and character. I’d be willing to bet that they are looking for guys who will buy into the system. In fact, one of the more heartening quotes I’ve read recently is this, from Jordan Lyles:

"Curveball is the pitch I’m working on now," he said. "We only throw three pitches here (Lexington) with the fastball, curveball and changeup. I threw a cut fastball in high school. Next year, I’ll come back with another breaking ball and that’ll be what I work on."

It looks like he’s got the right attitude, focusing on developing his repertoire instead of going for the sparkling numbers.

by AstroAndy on May 31, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the time that Tim Redding was a top prospect, I recall a humorous account...

of his development in the Astros’ system. I think it was Burt Hooten who was quoted in the article. He said Tim Redding came into the professional ball throwing something like ten different types of pitches. He said that, as a kid, Redding must have listened to a baseball broadcaster like Joe Morgan who had praised a pitcher who could throw a bunch of different pitches. Redding in his first minor league outing apparently tried to throw this plethora of pitches, with the pitching coach going out to ask him, “what the heck are you throwing?” Hooten said that Redding became much better once they got him to concentrate on a small set of traditional pitches.

by clack on Jun 1, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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