Paulino moved to bull pen so that Moheler doesn't lose his job due to injury
I don't know what the exact decision making calculus that went into this, but it's a little disappointing. Paulino had been spectacular thus far. What I really want to know is why move him to the bull pen? If we want him to have continued success as a starter, don't we need him to make starts? AAA Round Rock could provide that opportunity.
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I think you are right
from the standpoint of developing him as a starter. But the bull pen needs lots of help and he should get lots of work there. And, if Moehler doesn’t cut it, Moehler can be sent down with the “No one loses his job due to injury” rule intact.
It takes more than pitching to win a pennant, but not much!
OK -- I retract my snark
It makes more sense now. Paulino has long been thought of as a potential closer. I had not realized that draining Jose Valverde’s hematoma was going to keep him out for 3 weeks while it heals. Then he’ll probably need to go on a quick rehab assignment, so maybe we don’t see Jose again until June.
Given the difference in salaries between Valverde and Paulino, it’d make a whole lot of sense to take this opportunity to see if Paulino can handle being a solid part of the major league bullpen. Although I’d prefer the whole 13-man pitching staff idea that I mentioned in the Jason Smith thread, this move certainly has some merit and could free up quite a bit of money for us down the road.
So it's possible
Paulino could be the interim closer while Valverde is out? Right now it’s Hawkins.
Anyone thinking that Bud Norris is the Astros closer of the future? I don’t see him more than a bullpen guy right now.
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You changed my mind
I was going to write I was dumbfounded – but facts and stuff can change my opinion
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by Joe in Birmingham on May 1, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not a bad idea
Earl Weaver always said the best place for rookie pitchers was in the bullpen. Give him a few spot starts every now and then, and make a decision about his permanent place in the pitching corps later.
Of course, Paulino’s pretty clearly an improvement over Moehler (and Backe and Ortiz, for that matter)
also
I think AAA is the worst option for him. Coming out of the bullpen will give Paulino experience against ML hitters, and that’s a lot more important than getting experience as a starter.
I don't like it.
First, Moehler bombed in his AA start, so I can’t see how his minor league stint justifies a starting position. Second, if Paulino isn’t going to start, I think he should go back to RR to get innings. Knowing Cooper, he is likely to be used as a middle reliever, and I don’t think that will give him much experience. Third, I may be wrong about this, but I don’t see Paulino as closer material. He doesn’t seem to get a lot of K’s on his fastball. He will get Ks when he has a good change and curveball and mixes them with the fastball. He has been shaky for the first couple of batter in each 1st inning so far. Fourth, I don’t want to see Paulino diverted to relief pitching because he has the potential (maybe small at that) as a top of the rotation starter, and that would be a lot more valuable than any relief positon.
of course, the team's decision doesn't surprise me.
It all fits with Cooper’s and Wade’s attitude that “veteran-ness” is a lot more important than talent.
Paulino says he was told he will be the long reliever.
“They said I’ll be a long reliever,” he said. “I’ve never done relief, but I’ll be doing my job 100 percent.”
I hope that isn’t his exclusive assignment, because long relievers normally have extended periods of disuse.
Just Going To Play Devil's Advocate On a Couple of Points (though I agree with you for the most part)
From what Footer says, the 8 runs Moehler gave up in the first two innings were while Moehler was working with just a limited number of pitches…once he mixed in his changeup after the second out of the second inning, he apparently retired 11 in a row.
On Paulino’s strikeout rate, although it isn’t nearly as gaudy as Valverde’s (10-12 K/9, consistently over the years) they’ve both got good and similar K/BB ratios: a 3.25 K/BB ratio for Paulino this year, 3.6ish for Valverde. And although Paulino doesn’t get as many strikeouts (sample size caveat), he’s got a much better groundball rate than Valverde, and does a decent job of not giving up homers.
On whether he should be a starter or a reliever, I’m sure the argument for him being a reliever is that the front office believes his arm may be a bit more fragile with his injury history. As a reliever, I don’t think he’ll be thirsty for innings…how many more times can we run Geary out there to give up a run? Sampson will likely continue to take the bulk of the multi-inning relief work. This will give Coop a good option to go to in the bullpen to nail down the 7th and maybe the 8th inning…if Paulino continues his success, I think Coop won’t have any trouble using him in close and late situations (the offense, however, may have difficulty keeping the game close into the late innings).
And I’ll just finish up with a quote that apparently shows that Paulino understands his job better than Cooper does.
Cooper has wondered if Paulino might hit 100-mph if he’s used in one-inning outings. “I don’t know about that,” Paulino said. “Throwing hard isn’t the most important thing. You have to be smart and throw with command. I cannot be overconfident just because I throw hard. Godwilling, I can do a good job.”
talking about very small samples...
So far this season, the OPS of the first batter faced by Paulino in a game is 1.167. Hopefully, that is just random bad luck…but it is the source of my feeling that he has to face a couple of batters to settle in before he starts pitching well. I’ll withhold judgement as to whether to change the prevailing view that Paulino is a flyball pitcher. His groundball rate in the brief 07 ML appearance, and his 09 AAA and ML appearances, are based on small samples. Throughout most of Paulino’s career, his GB rate is not very high.
I hope Cooper doesn’t ruin Paulino’s arm in the pen either. Some pitchers exacerbate their injury issues by going to the bullpen, because their arms don’t respond well to getting up and down to warm up on short notice. Nieve’s arm problems in 07 didn’t show up until he was converted to a closer in Round Rock and brought up to pitch out of the bullpen. I think the elbow problem first showed up in the middle of his closer stints at Round Rock (requiring a rest period), and then ended his brief tenuer as a late inning closer for the Astros.






















