Moehler, Backe and Paulino
All things considered, Felipe Paulino continues to do a good job in the rotation. With Brandon Backe and Brian Moehler on rehab assignments in the minors, what happens when they are ready for the major league roster? After his first start, I figured that Paulino had a couple of more starts to hold on to his rotation spot.
He didn't win those two starts, but he fared acceptably well. And, looking at the boxscore of Brian Moehler's start in Midland, I assume that he isn't ready yet. Both teams' pitchers were giving up lots of runs, but this line isn't good for a major league pitcher in AA:
5 IP 11 H 8 R 8 ER 0 BB 2 K 14.40 ERA
My guess is that Moehler needs more rehab starts in the minors. But I haven't seen any indications of the Astros' thinking.
Backe appears to be in the early stages of his rehab starts. His start for Round Rock seems pretty decent for a guy just starting to pitch after a layoff.
4 IP 2 H 1 R 1 ER 2 BB 1K 2.25 ERA
As things stand right now (including the state of Paulino's performance), when Moehler is ready to return to the big league roster, my preference would be keep Paulino in the rotation and put Moehler in the bullpen. Part of my reasoning is that Paulino is one (if not the only) good young Astros' arms at this level who has the potential to be a good starter. Also, Moehler has more experience in the bullpen than Paulino. The broadcasters speculated on the possibility of Paulino being used as a late inning reliever by the Astros. That talk will always come up when a guy can throw as hard as Paulino. But I'm not sold on Paulino's ability to fill that role. As hard as Paulino throws, he doesn't always get as many Ks as you might expect from an outing. Watching him, it appears to me that he needs to settle in and mix in his breaking pitches before he becomes effective in a game. But he may well end up in a relief role this year.
On the post game show last night, Allyson Footer opined that the Astros will return Moehler to the rotation, in part because of his $2.5 million salary. She also raised the old "nobody loses their job to injury" cliche. First, Moehler's salary should have nothing to do with his role as a reliever or starter. The decision should be based on what's best for the team. As to the second point, I understand that a rationale exists for that "rule." But there are many exceptions to the rule. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the frequent references to Wally Pipp (who lost his job to Lou Gehrig, because he had a headache). Of course, something unexpected could happen, before Moehler's rehab is over, which allows both Paulino and Moheler to start in the rotation.
As for Backe, I assume that decision is farther down the line. But it could get interesting.
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Russ Oritz?
Should Oritz be part of that discussion? or is it secure in his position?
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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
I'd say his job is no more secure than Moehler
But the unfortunate thing is that it’s easier to send Paulino back to AAA than it is for Moehler or Ortiz. I’m assuming either of them would have to accept a minor league assignment, or they could get their release (not that they’d have anywhere to go). Somebody with better knowledge of the rules can chime in, but wouldn’t they have to be DFA’d? And doesn’t the same go for Backe? Paulino may be the first on the bus, just cause he still has options. Am I wrong?
by littlevisigoth on Apr 30, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
yes, I think you are right on the rules.
most likely Moehler or Ortiz would be lost because they would have to be DFA’d. I’m not as certain about Backe, but I think that he is not optionable. There are enough teams hurting for starting pitching that the risk is pretty significant that they would be picked off waivers. Moehler might clear waivers because of his salary (leaving the Astros to pay it) and then be able to sign a ML minimum contract with another team. Right now, the Nats are filing their rotation just by picking guys off waivers.
As for Ortiz, I think he has pitched pretty well. Personally, at this point, I trust his future performance more than Moehler. His ERA is deceiving, partly from the period when he was used in relief (opposition hitting .226 against him as a starter, .294 as a reliever), which he isn’t suited for, and partly because his pitch counts haven’t allowed him to pitch very deep. But, from what I’ve heard from the Astros, they like the way that Ortiz has kept them in the game when he has started. The Astros have won all three of his starts (3-2, 8-5, 6-3) and he got the decision in two of the games.
I was thinking more
of what about Paulino and Backe being the starters instead of Oritz and Moehler.
I’m in favor of keeping Ortiz (only drawbacks are his number of innings pitched – unless I remember incorrectly he barely makes the five innings – and that he won’t be on the pitching staff in three years whereas Backe and Paulino might). I mentioned Ortiz beinng in the discussion since I thought someone legitimately might prefer Backe over Ortiz.
Again – I’m happy with Russ Oritz – I’d also prefer Paulion over Backe and Moehler at the moment (but Backe really has not had a chance this year to show his mettle)
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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 30, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny
and maybe you’re not one of the ones that felt this way, but it seems to me that most people had all but written Backe off, feeling comfortable that we would be cut before ST ended. that he got injured just delayed the decision. i’d be shocked if Backe was inserted into the rotation anytime soon. being on the DL, maybe that’s a loophole to keep him in the minors making “rehab starts” until the brass decides whether or not they want to keep him around.
just as a curiosity, does anybody know the details of his contract status? wasn’t he only going to get his $1.55MM if he wasn’t cut by a certain date? does being on the DL count (as in, are we on the hook for that contract no matter what at this point)?
by littlevisigoth on Apr 30, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Backe
I think Backe’s contract is firm now. I recall people’s surprise Astros put him on DL instead of releasing him because of the contract numbers.
My feelings on Backe were that he had to prove himself this spring. I did not write him off for his bad 2008. He was coming off arm surgery. Several of his bad games were “take it for the team” losses.
To me he was not guaranteed a starting rotation slot either; but with a weak prospective rotation, he had to be in the mix if he improved. Astros had Oswalt, I felt Wandy was a good pitcher (despite a lot of "fans"calls to dump him (and I am so pleased he is doing so well ) . It became clear early on Sampson was not being considered as a starter. Fingers were crossed for Hampton, Oritz, and Moehler. With two solid pitchers and three iffys. there was room for Backe if he performed was my thought.
When Spring injuries hit Backe (and Capellan looked so good) I knew Backe was in trouble. I would not have been surprised with a release, trade or DL call on Backe. Astros obviously think Backe can bounce back.
His past two seasons, his struggles, heck -even his offseason encounter with Galveston police – has had to mature him.
Oritz seems to have made a successful comeback – ditto Hampton – Moehler – why not Backe.
It’ll probably take an injury to a starter or tow to get him back on the club – but in a long season there will be an injury. Question -will Backe be ready for MLB success? He might (he might not).
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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 30, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Jose Capellan
Despite that exciting spring training run, Jose Capellan is 0-4 with a 11.70 ERA at Round Rock.
Chad Paronto at the better extreme has 4 saves and a 1.50 ERA.
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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 30, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Rotation
The way I look at it is that Paulino and Ortiz now have spots until they do something to lose them. Paulino was also a candidate for the rotation in spring training, but came out of the gate slowly. Now that he appears to be putting solid outings together, there’s no reason why this strong young arm shouldn’t have the inside track to keep his job.
Ortiz has to be in the same boat. As clack mentioned, the Astros have won each of his starts, and he has done a great job keeping the astros in games.
As far as Moehler is concerned, I was never sold on him in the first place. He was a journeyman who caught lightning in a bottle last year (albeit that was still some pretty tame lightning). To project anywhere close to the same numbers for him is ubsurd. He has always been a long relief guy anyway.
At this point in the season, I think the Astros brass should just go with what is working, and right now that is Ortiz and Paulino. If worst comes to worst, let Moehler and Backe go. Backe has been given too many shots to legitimize his playoff success in the regular season, and Moehler was never the desired option anyway.
On another note, the rotation has been really solid lately. I think the biggest area for concern should be the bench. There is a frightening scarcity of viable options on the pine. They have got to find a left-handed power option for the later innings.
by captain_bomb_2000 on Apr 30, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
Paulino and Ortiz
Clearly Paulino should stay – in the bull pen if not as a starter.
Moehler and Backe should be “on the bubble”. It does seem possible that one of those two could be better than Ortiz in the long run, but how much better, and what’s the loss if we lose them?
Isn’t that what we are supposed to have a GM to decide? How tough can this be?
It takes more than pitching to win a pennant, but not much!
Hadn't realized that Wandy was a candidate to be sent down.... :)
It takes more than pitching to win a pennant, but not much!
Wandy is so awesome...
He can pitch for the Express, the Hooks and the Astros all at the same time.
by entropic soul on May 1, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions























