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And the Beat(ings) go on: Astros lose fifth in a row, 7-0

By the looks of the data, this game was over almost before it started. Brian Moehler was atrocious, again. He may be injured which would explain his poor performances early this season. Still, that doesn't make this loss any more bearable.

Moehler's struggles are magnified in the loss today, as another starting pitcher went the distance against the Astros. Zach Duke carried the flame today, and it wasn't with overpowering stuff, or great command. The Astros just looked out of sync offensively, swinging at bad balls, and rarely making good contact.

In a game that saw the Pirates trot out their best lineup, and the Astros play a few reserves, it's painfully obvious this team will struggle in games where our starters will be rested. Humberto Quintero is not a major league baseball player, plain and simple. Jason Michaels got a hit today, but he is not a great defender. Playing him in centerfield on days when the Astros face left handed starters will hurt our defense tremendously. Pairing Michaels and Carlos Lee: I have visions of doubles dancing in my head.

Starting pitching and bench depth were two concerns going into spring training, and this game points out those weaknesses. 1-6 is a rough way to start the season. True, there are 155 more to play, but unless the starting pitching improves, there is not much reason to be optimistic about this team's chances to play competitive baseball. Tomorrow is an off day. I can't decide whether or not to be excited or sad. On one hand, it gives the team a day to recoup, on the other, the sour taste of five straight losses is allowed to permeate for an extra day.


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Re: Q not being a major league (backup) catcher

Towles is 4 for 9 with a homer. Do you think he’ll get the callup this season or do think McTaggart is right in saying that Lou Santangelo has passed him on the depth chart?

by AstroAndy on Apr 13, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe the Astros planted that notion of Santagelo passing Towles...

as a way to “wake up” Towles. (The idea never made sense to begin with, given Santagelo’s age.) If that’s the case, perhaps it worked. However, how much chance is there for Towles to play every day with the astros right now, given that Pudge has been promised regular playing time? And if Towles can’t get regular playing time, should he be called up?

by clack on Apr 13, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough call

My instinct is to wait until either Towles puts together a solid month of good work or Q puts in too many weak games. Then move Towles up and split time more evenly between him and Pudge than they have between Pudge and Q, allowing Towles to play consecutive games.

If Castro’s gonna be the real deal, then we need Towles to either figure out how to be a good backup or to have a darn good season to pump up his trade value

by AstroAndy on Apr 13, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't see..

how Santangelo has passed Towles on the depth chart. Towles is our own guy, and has succeeded on the AAA level.

Santangelo has never had success in AAA…

by Evan Hochschild on Apr 13, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was a statement by McTaggert...

which he said reflected the Astros views of the two catchers.

by clack on Apr 13, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

some would say that the only reason Towles ever passed Santangelo to start with was because of Santangelo’s suspension for steroids.

by Danyah on Apr 14, 2009 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just heard Cooper's press conference.

Cooper was calm…almost resigned to his situation. He said he was more worried about his players’ injuries than anything. Kaz Matsui left the game as his back tightened up in the cold weather. Cooper said, “that is not good,” and can only hope that it’s temporary. Moehler has a knee injury, and will await examination to see how long he is out. Sampson had his hip muscles tighten up, but stayed in the game. (I suspect that the cold weather took its toll on the Astros.)

Cooper didn’t give Duke much credit, saying that the Astros are doing this to themselves more than anything. Cooper says the hitters haven’t been able to do anything since the season started. He can’t think of anything to say or do. He says you can’t tell veteran hitters much, that you just have to let them work it out by themselves, like they have so many times.

As I said in the other thread, Steve Sparks said that Moehler’s velocity decreased 5 – 6 mph during the course of this game. Sparks pointed to Moehler’s wobbly knee on a replay of the pitch which resulted in the LaRoche HR.

by clack on Apr 13, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I saw some of it

Duke looked good. I think they have a new pitching coach. Maybe that has something to do with it.

by ol Pete on Apr 13, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I think they hired Joe Kerrigan...

who was the Red Sox pitching coach for several years. He is supposed to be good.

by clack on Apr 13, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

HLP Too Harsh on Michaels and Quintero

Jason Michaels made some nice plays in center field today and did havce one (flukish) hit today. His .167 average is now the same as Lance Berkman’s (which is a bigger problem on this stretch) (To be precise i don’t see a role for either Jason Michaels or Jason Smith on this team, but it is unfair to fault Jason Michaels for his play today.)

If you want to fault defense -see Miguel Tejada.

On the other hand, Keppinger proved again he was a good addition..

Quintero – nothing at the plate today that I recall (In fact his only bat I remember was a weak dribbler for out three with two men on base, but he did throw a runner out at third.)

I am using my own statistic I call outlier games – currently it is games where the opposition scores 9 or more runs or the offense scores 0 runs. (I may toss in 1-run games as I refine this). There are Negative Outlier Games (the team got the worst end of it ) and positive outlier games (the team got the best end of it). A team loses most negative outlier games. Four of the Astros’s 7 games have been Negative Outlier Games. They have NO Positive Outlier Games. This is not a good trend.

Steve Sparks must be very observant . I did notice anything unusual about Moehler -suddenly he was out of the game.

The Fangraph chart says the game was all but over (Sorry Yogi) by the end of the fourth -that’s the feeling I had too.

The TV Annnouncers (Jim DeShaies probably) noted that the new Pirates pitching coach conclude they had a good staff but only had to adjust minor thigns – he may make a BIG difference.

i’ve not heard how the etam has morale problems, but I can tell they are not playing as a machine.

Morale notwithstanding, Berkman must bat better than .167 and Lee better than .200 for Astros to win.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 13, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

hmmm

i guess i will agree that i was too harsh…its tough to be objective 20 minutes after this kind of loss

that being said, michaels doesn’t have a place on this team. yes, i saw that basket catch, but the fact remains that he is on the whole not a very good defensive player.

it’s not so much that i was faulting him for his play TODAY, its just that his struggles are emblematic of the team’s- our lack of depth, etc…

by Evan Hochschild on Apr 13, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a question regarding Cooper's use of Quintero today.

Why didn’t he pinch hit Pudge for Quintero in the only true threat by the Astros’ offense. Late in the game, the Astros had two on board after the Keppinger double…but with 2 outs. Q came up to bat and hit the ball weakly to 3d base. At the time, I noted in the game thread that it was too bad the Astros had no real PH choices. When I said that, I assumed Cooper was following that odd managerial strategy of holding Pudge back as insurance in case Q was injured. But in the next inning, Cooper led off with Pudge as a PHer. If Cooper intended to PH with Pudge, why didn’t he use him in the more important game situation, namely Q’s at bat?

by clack on Apr 13, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions  

True story.

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by Stephen Higdon on Apr 13, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess

he wanted to give Pudge’s knees a rest.

by Only_A_Lad on Apr 13, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Astros on pace for outlier season

but good thing we’re all savvy enough baseball fans to understand that 7 games do not a season make, right?

by Only_A_Lad on Apr 13, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

True, there are 155 more to play, but unless the starting pitching improves, there is not much reason to be optimistic about this team’s chances to play competitive baseball.

Well, that depends on your definition of “competitive”, HLP.

by Only_A_Lad on Apr 13, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The good news is

Moehler managed to lower his ERA by over 10 points with his outing today.

by AstroAndy on Apr 13, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

That's incredible

(hey, you’ve got to hold on to something to not lose hope…right?)

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Apr 13, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this streak continues too much longer

I’m thinking they’re going to have some drastic personnel changes. I hope the first one to go is Junction Jack and that they bring back this guy:

I will personally spearhead the petition drive.

by AstroAndy on Apr 13, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And ditch the pinstripes, too

and retire JR Richard’s and Niekro’s numbers for good karma. And Roger Clemens’ number, too, but just to piss everyone else off.

Seriously, what the hell is with train-themed Astros, anyway? And if you want to go with a “retro” feel for everything, the Astros have a pre-1980 history to draw from. God, those pinstripes piss me off.

by Only_A_Lad on Apr 13, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Yes!!

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Apr 14, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes!!

The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Apr 14, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and not to add further to the humiliation,

but the Astros’ minor league teams pretty much got their asses handed to them today.

Round Rock lost 8-4 to Omaha (Royals). Bogusevic was hitless, but drew a walk, Towles had a double, and Saccomano had a homer (any chance he’ll get called up as a PH? Not likely). Bud Norris allowed two unearned runs, McKeller allowed 3, Lumsden 1, and Sammy Gervacio 2. Not pretty.

Corpus Christi lost 8-4 to NW Arkansas (Royals too). Collin DeLome hit a home run. Brad James allowed only two earned runs (two unearned), but Andy Van Hekken (filler) allowed another 4.

Lancaster got absolutely destroyed by the Inland Empire in a 16-1 loss. On the bright side, Castro had two doubles and Clemens had a hit and two walks. I don’t want to write out the pitching staff’s exploits. It would take too long.

Good news, though: Lexington is now 4-0 after a 2-1 win over the White Sox’ Kannapolis Intimidators. Robert Bono (I hope he makes it to the majors with that name; the U2 pun headlines are endless) went 5 innings, giving up no walks 5 hits, and striking out 3.

hooray!

by Only_A_Lad on Apr 14, 2009 12:28 AM CDT reply actions  

that RR game had some embarrasing errors...

The night time television news showed Abercrombie dropping a ball in the outfield…not a good way to get on television, Reggie. I think there was another ball dropped in the outfield and an error by Manzella.

by clack on Apr 14, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

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