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Jeff Bagwell and Lance Berkman WAR comparison

I wanted to play around with the Baseball Projections WAR Database with two oft compared Astros first basemen: comparison


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The graph is the first ten years of each player's career (or Lance's whole career). Besides Jeff being the all around better player, what, if anything can we take from the graph?

Tomorrow (well actually just later today), I'll look at Berkman's best comparissions, according to PECOTA, and see what career trend we might truly expect.  Consider this just some Saturday morning food for thought.

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the graph helps illustrate

that Bagwell had begun his career decline after year 6. I looked up the years beyond the graph to confirm that his WAR continues to decline if you were to draw the line after the graph end point. I think Jeff Bagwell’s shoulder problems are a big part of the rather rapid decline. His defensive numbers get worse, which is surely shoulder-related, and his arthritic shoulder most likely affected his hitting ability too.

Berkman’s WAR has been more erratic from year to year. A siginficant part of the inconsistency is the erratic defensive performance from year to year…some positive seasons followed by negative seasons. I will speculate that Berkman’s defensive performances were not helped by the team’s decisions to use him at multiple positions, often in the same season, during his career. Berkman had his peak season (so far) last year, which obviously contrasts with Bagwell who was well into decline at that point. Berkman’s peak was aided by a career high +10 on defense. I would like to think that Berkman was “settling in” at first base last season. Last year was the first season in which he did not split time in the outfield.

by clack on Mar 7, 2009 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for this analysis

My initial reaction was, oh-oh, Lance follows a good year with a down year and he had a good year last year. Your explanation about the fielding part of the calculus soothes my worried brow.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Mar 7, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

three things

I never really thought about it much but it does surprise me that Bagwell was quit a bit better than Berkman for that stretch. Yet Berkman has the potential to have a more productive career.

Can you say Bagwell was declining? Years 6,7,8,9,&10 are all hire then the rest of his years with the exception of an outlier (year 4). I wouldn’t call it a decline until 2000 as much as inconsistancy (although I don’t think that word fits right)

Lance should come down some because he had an above average year.

by joeljr on Mar 7, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

if the graph was extended to the end of his career...

I think the decline from year 6 onward would be more obvious. Years 7, 8, and 10 are all declines, but there was a spike up in year 9..followed by year 10 lower than year 8, and the following 4 years off this graph are all annual declines except for a slight upward year in 04.

by clack on Mar 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

nitpicky advice...

comparison is misspelled in the headline.

by clack on Mar 7, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks and sorry

I need to stop blogging my insomnia away.

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