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NL Central Positional Throwdown: Third Base Edition

In the NL Central, Third Base is an interesting mix of mashers, young up and comers and a replacement level platoon (guess which one describes the Astros' third basemen?)

 

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Chicago Cubs Third Baseman: Aramis Ramirez

Consistency, thy name is Aramis. With Derrek Lee's power fading quickly, and Milton Bradley injury prone ways well known, Aramis Ramirez stands as the power bat in the middle of the Cubs lineup. Geovany Soto helps, but Ramirez should continue to be the steadying force in the middle of a potent lineup. An oddity of 2008 was that Ramirez struggled to hit left handed pitching, toting a line of .239/.333/.388.This looks to be more of a one year abberation, rather than a foreshadowing of things to come. 2006 looks to be his peak year, in terms of HR totals (38), but expect a ton of RBI and run opportunities. Points Awarded: 6

St. Louis Cardinals Third Baseman: Troy Glaus

In 2007, Troy Glaus produced a very nice season for the Toronto Blue Jays. 20 HRs, an .839 OPS and decent defense resulted in him being worth 2.5 wins above a replacement level player. In the offseason, Glaus was traded to St. Louis for the Cardinals' third baseman, Scott Rolen. After a 2008 season that saw Rolen struggle with injury and Glaus play even better than he did in 2007, St. Louis clearly got the better end of the deal. He does nothing on the bases and is not a great hitter in terms of producing a high batting avearge, but his power numbers are stout, and he has the sort of patience and plate discipline that make him an ideal middle of the order hitter. Points Awarded: 5

Cincinnati Reds Third Baseman: Edwin Encarnacion

Baseball Prospectus has Aramis Ramirez as a comparable player to Encarnacion. Those are kind words for Cincy's third sacker, since so far Encarnacion has failed to display the skills that have him highly touted going into the 2009 season. For starters, he has defensive lapses and poor range. He's nothing special, but does manage to collect decent power numbers, averaging over thirty doubles in his last three seasons. Unfortunately, his above average bat can only do so much to make up for his defense and base running shortcomings. Points Awarded: 4

Milwaukee Brewers Third Baseman: Bill Hall

Here begins the bottom half of our Third Base Throwdown. Key word: bottom. Bill Hall had a tremendous 2006 season that allowed him to ink a 4 yr/$24 million deal with the Brew Crew. After a season in CF, and one at 3B Hall has lost his ability to lay off the pitches out of the strike zone. Last year's .293 OBP was a result of the aforementioned lack of patience and an odd BABIP dip despite a high LD%. An adjustment in BABIP and a better approach at the plate should get Hall back to respectability, though not quite to the level where Milwaukee hoped he would reach. Points Awarded: 3

Pittsburgh Priates Third Baseman: Andy LaRoche

There's something about highly touted prospects that haven't found their way, that makes me sympathize with a team. Pittsburgh less than other teams, but still. After coming out of the Dodgers farm system with much (deserved) fanfare, LaRoche hasn't been able to harness that potential and turn it into big league success. Ramon Vazquez was signed over the offseason to assumedly hit against right handed pitching, and take some pressure off the young LaRoche. That being said, he has the sort of talent that is hard to hold down for long. His numbers should improve this season based on his having to face right handed pitchers less often, but getting more AB's on this level should also be a shot in the arm to his career. Points Awarded: 2

Houston Astros Third Basemen: Geoff Blum/Aaron Boone

More affectionately known as Bloone's Farm, Geoff Blum and Aaron Boone have been given the job of holding down the hot corner for the 2009 Astros. As a switch hitter, Geoff Blum displays a fairly balanced split against both lefties and righties, though he isn't good at hitting either, to be honest. What is often overlooked with Blum is that he is a fairly adept defender even at 35 years of age. That will help to make this platoon appear a little more respectable. Despite that, Blum is past the point where he should be expected to make up an important part of a big league team.

The right handed hitting half of the Farm is Aaron Boone. Aaron bleepin' Boone, as he's known to Red Sox fans. That bit of October magic aside, Boone has actually hit better against right handed pitching than left handed pitching. Which is all well and good, except for the fact that Geoff Blum will be hitting against righties this season. So, there's that..did I mention that ALCS winning home-run yet? Oh, I did? Well what if I point out the fact that these two are just place holders, allowing up and coming prospect Chris Johnson to get some more AAA at bat's under his belt? Feel better, Astros fans? A little bitttttt??? That's a start. Points Awarded: 1


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Take THAT, Wakefield!!

Total Points Awarded through 5 comparisons:

Chicago Cubs-24

Milwaukee Brewers-20

Cincinnati Reds-20

St. Louis Cardinals-18

Houston Astros-15

Pittsburgh Pirates-8

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by DyingQuail on Mar 12, 2009 3:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think the Pirates, Brewers, and Astros are virtually tied at 3d base.

I pretty sure that Bill Hall is ticketed for platoon duty (maybe Ol’ Pete can correct me if I’m wrong), perhaps with Lamb. Hall’s line vs. RHP last year: .174, .242, .319, .557. I think the Brewers have a good 3d base prospect who may come up, though.

Zachary Levine’s platoon math comes up with a .722 OPS for Bloone’s Farm.

That OPS is better than Hall’s .689 OPS last year. I have no idea what kind of platoon results the Brewers can get at 3d, though. Hall is an enigma. I’ve always liked him, but the signs seem to point to a possible collapse…or perhaps he just becomes a professional platoon player. Hall’s lack of contact ability is not a good sign for his future. His BR comps are Freese, Tatis, and Khalil Greene. None of those guys are real good signs for his future either.

Andy LaRoche hasn’t done much in the majors so far. He is starting to look like a Chris Burke type bust. I wouldn’t be surprised if he produced below Bloone’s Farm, even though that would probably mean he is headed toward being a bust.

by clack on Mar 12, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to go ahead

And concur with all of that.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by DyingQuail on Mar 12, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your numbers on Hall are persuasive

probably more so than the happy Spring Training stories of change. At least the happy talk so far is that the team is looking for him to be full time. ST stories: LASIK surgery, offseason workouts emphasized flexibility and cardio rather than strength and bulk, and realizing his own suckitude in the past couple years so he is working on his stance and swing with the new hitting coach.

Behind him are Counsell (new stance!) as a LHer and a guy picked up from the Cubs AAA team last year, Casey McGehee (RH) who is hot so far this Spring and supposedly is a pretty steady fielder. McGehee has also been spending some time at 2nd (oh Rickie…). I think with the managing change, the sense of security in a position might be less.

Gamel is the hoped for future 3B, but like a classic Brewers prospect, his hitting is ready now but his glove needs some work. He’s had a shoulder problem this Spring. I’d be surprised if he comes up before September.

by ol Pete on Mar 12, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figured Astros would be last at third base

so no surprise there. It’d be nice if Chris Johnson beats out Aaron Boone and then turns out very productive.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Mar 12, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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NL Central Standings

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St. Louis 91 71 .561 0 Lost 6
Chicago 83 78 .515 7.5 Lost 1
Milwaukee 80 82 .493 11 Won 3
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Houston 74 88 .456 17 Lost 3
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