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Looking for optimism in the Feliz signing

 



Although Pedro Feliz is an excellent defensive third baseman, his offense is more flawed.  Feliz fits the profile of a lower batting average, low OBP hitter, whose saving offfensive feature is the ability to hit a decent number of HRs (averages 18 HR/season).  Since Feliz's HR totals declined in 09, critics point to a likely decline in power as Feliz heads into his mid-30's. So, I will take a look at Feliz's offense to see if we can find any reason for optimism.  This article isn't about making a projection for Feliz--if you want that, you can look at CHONE, Bill James, and ZIPS projections, all of which project a slight improvement in Feliz's offense over 2009--but rather trying to find some glimmers of hope that Feliz could provide a better offensive contribution than we expect.

ZIPS shows the two top comparable players to Feliz are Vinny Castilla and Tim Wallach.  Castilla is an interesting comparable, in part because of the similarity between the situation surrounding the acquistion of Feliz and Castilla by the Astros.  The Astros brought Castilla in as a one year "fix" at the 3d base position in 2001, after young prospects were disappointments at that position.  Castilla, a slick fielding 3d baseman, appeared to be in the midst of an offensive decline at the age of 33, but he ended up resurrecting his career with the Astros, hitting 23 HRs and posting a .812 OPS.  Castilla's bumpy offensive performance in his mid-30's is illustrated by his HRs totals between ages of 33 and 36: 23, 12, 22, and 35.  Castilla had one of his best offensive seasons when he went back to Coors Field at the age of 36 and hit 35 HRs, with 131 RBIs. Tim Wallach had declining offense in Montreal at ages 32-35, and then rebounded as a Dodger at ages 36-37 with an OPS+ of 127 and 106.  These two comparable players illustrate that the declining impact of age is not always a straight line, but often a jagged line that includes rebounding offense.

If you wanted to hold out hope for a rebound season for Feliz, I think the possibility of a change in scenery, specifically the ballpark, can rejuvenate a player. Castilla's rebound years after moving to MMP and then Coors Field late in his career might be examples.  Feliz is pull hitter to LF; 24 of his 26 HRs over the last two years were hit to LF.  And, of course, MMP's Crawford Boxes are only 315 feet away in LF.  A player's ballpark stats should be taken with a grain of salt, mostly due to sample size, as well as the inability to control for the quality of opposing pitchers.  However, setting aside that warning, I think we can see why Feliz said he liked his trips to Houston as an opposing player.  His career triple slash line in Minute Maid Park is quite good:

.301, .326, .530, OPS--.856

In fact, among NL parks only Coors Field (.949) and Nationals Park are better for Feliz, in terms of OPS.

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Since the bulk of Feliz's hitting with Houston will be in NL Central ballparks, it might be interesting to look at his offensive output in those ball fields over his career.  The statistics below: OPS / HR/PA /PA

MMP .856 .058 86
GAB .830 .028 71
Miller .755 .056 106
Wrigley .734 ..044 89

Busch II

.747 .028 36
PNC .536 0 75
Feliz Career. .715 .032 4115
NL Central parks .745 .039 463

By way of commparison, a .05/PA HR rate is equivalent to 30 home runs per season.  Except for the Bucs' PNC park, Feliz's OPS in all of the NL Central parks has been above his career level.  PNC, which is far below his career level, also has a huge LF, which probably accounts for his zero HR rate there.  Frankly, I'm not sure how much stock to put into this comparison.  But it is interesting.  And if you want to grab on to a slice of evidence, whether meaningful or not, this could suggest that Feliz might find the NL Central ballparks to his liking.

I have heard some fans suggest that Feliz may be a good clutch hitter, which means his offensive contribution may be greater than his average statistics would indicate.  Lately, I have stayed away from situational hitting stats in evaluating potential acquistions, mostly because the concept of clutch hitting is controversial in the sabermetric community and use of clutch offensive stats are subject to sample size issues.  However, we do know that some players (Carlos Lee is an example) have shown offensive results in RBI situations which are better than their ovreall hitting stats.  We can also test whether Feliz's offense has been better in certain Runners in Scoring Position (RISP) situations.

Selected Situations (OPS)

Feliz Career

RISP .749

RISP, 2 outs  .769

Bases Loaded  .848

Men On  .738

Feliz 2009

RISP .869

RISP, 2 outs  ..879

Bases Loaded .952

Men On  .848

Setting aside whether clutch hitting is repeatable, the statistics indicate that Feliz was a very good clutch hitter in 2009 and has generally hit better in clutch situations over his career in comparison to his overall OPS.  We don't know if this means anything in terms of how Feliz will hit in the clutch in 2010, but at least we know he has been reasonably successful in that role in the past.

So there you have it.  You want a few shreds of evidence to make you feel a little more hopeful about Pedro Feliz?  Maybe I have helped out.

 

 

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Pretty interesting analysis on the ballparks...

That MMP at the top of the list looks really good to me too. A .856 OPS and 15 HR at MMP in roughly 300 PA is probably not that likely.. but it’s not outside the realm of possibility. If his OPS outside MMP is equal to his career, then we’re still looking at a 785 OPS overall and 20+ homers. Add that to his excellent defense and we’re looking at a pretty good third baseman here.

I’m actually looking forward to having good infield defense this year.

by entropic soul on Dec 13, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’m really looking forward to the infield defense, too. I’m starting to really grasp the idea of “rebuilding” without rebuilding….one of the best things you can do for young pitchers like Norris and Paulino will be to put a good defense behind them to help them go just a bit deeper into each game. How many times last year did the other team manage to extend an inning thanks to a defensive miscue? Felt like a lot. Hopefully, we’ll put less strain on the bullpen, too.

by AstroAndy on Dec 13, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the ballpark analysis, clack

For those of us who grasp things visually, you can see Feliz’s hit chart for 2009 here:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?c_id=hou&playerID=150268&statType=1

If you select homeruns in the bottom right corner, it shows how many would have been deposited in the Crawford boxes. If you go ahead and add the doubles, triples, and fly outs, you can see that Feliz had a large number of warning-track shots that, in MMP, could have gone over the wall…or at least would have forced the LF to play a carom shot off the wall (a trick which Caballo has mastered, but which opposing LF haven’t).

by AstroAndy on Dec 13, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How Does Feliz compare with

non-tenured Garrett Atkins (of Colorado)?

 A few TCB followers wished Astros would have waited to see who was non-tenured before signing Feliz.. They may have been thinking about Garrett Atkins.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I know there are a number of people who liked Atkins. I’m not one of them. I think he is strong candidate to fall off a cliff, performance-wise. Atkins had a bad year last season, .226 BA and .650 OPS, but that decline was predicted by the deterioration (really reversal) of his BB/K ratios over the previous three years. Atkins probably will be tried as a platoon player against LHP, when someone picks him up, because he has a strong platoon split. He probably is best used at 1st base, because his defense at 3d base is poor (career UZR is -5 runs/150 innings).

by clack on Dec 13, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer...

to have someone who is + defense at every position.

by entropic soul on Dec 13, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Atkins’s career at MMP:
.282/.316/.592 over 79 PA.

2009 Atkins at MMP:
.200/.250/.600 over 15 PA

So it looks like he’s got a lot of power at MMP. But as clack has pointed out, Atkins has been in a statistical nosedive recently, and his defense hasn’t made up for it.

by AstroAndy on Dec 13, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our best case scenario...

…probably includes Pedro Feliz hitting more like Miguel Tejada than Geoff Blum, though I doubt he’ll be quite that good. We do stand to gain at least a few wins’ worth of defense, but I question whether our offense will be as good as it was last year.

The unfortunate thing I discovered plugging in just about every best case (realistic) scenario is that we’d gain about 10 wins over last season. That would have us around .500, a handful of games above if we continue to play above our pythagorean expectation. NL Central or the WC race would have to be pretty dismal for that to result in a postseason berth, though I suppose stranger things could happen.

by OremLK on Dec 13, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You could have the possibility that the Astros are in contention near mid-season, and McLane gets excited and acquires a difference-maker type player. I’m not saying it’s likely to happen; but Wade was allowed to acquire Hawkins and Wolf in 2008 (even though the Astros really weren’t in contention). That’s really the most realistic case I can see for vying for a post season berth.

Although I haven’t run any calculations, I tend to agree with your conclusion that .500 or a handful of games above that is the probable ceiling, as the club is constructed now. However, you never know; the 2008 Astros exceed their pythag by 10 games.

by clack on Dec 13, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You could have the possibility that the Astros are in contention near mid-season, and McLane gets excited and acquires a difference-maker type player. I’m not saying it’s likely to happen; but Wade was allowed to acquire Hawkins and Wolf in 2008 (even though the Astros really weren’t in contention). That’s really the most realistic case I can see for vying for a post season berth.

Yeah, I agree with this completely. I hesitate to call it the best-case scenario though, because if it causes us to trade away prospects, that may be a long-term loss. Especially if we end up contending and not quite making it in…

by OremLK on Dec 13, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JUST ASKING BUT NOW THAT FELIZ IS AT THIRD WHAT AMOUNT OF THE 100 MIL IS LEFT FOR THE BENCH AND ALSO WHOS PLAYING SECOND

by terriance on Dec 13, 2009 11:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That’s unknown. If I were guessing, I think Wade may have $5 million left to spend on free agents. The reason this can’t be answered very well is that we don’t know (for certain) the following: the budget target (numbers from $90 – $100 M have been mentioned…my guess is probably in the $95 M range); and what some of the arb-eligible players (Wandy, Pence, etc.) will be paid. I assume Kaz Matsui will play 2d because he has another year on his contract, and Wade recently said he expects Matsui to be the starter at 2d base.

Others on the board may have a different idea on this too.

by clack on Dec 14, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more concerned with shortstop than second

Matsui, Keppinger, Maysonet and Blum if need be can play adequate second.

My concern is shortstop – Who plays short if Manzella washes out or is injured?

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 14, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope to see them have a lot of patience with Manzella even if he hits poorly at first. He has a history of not doing so well when he first reaches a new level… if that happens again they should realize that he has proven capable to adapt. They didn’t have patience with Towles, though, so I don’t have any confidence that they will with Manzella.

by OremLK on Dec 14, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully Mills has some effect on the patience.

Dustin Pedroia in his rookie year was not having a good start to his season he was hitting well below .200, but Terry Francona stuck with him through out the entire season. Pedroia rewarded Francona for his patience at the end of the year, hopefully Mills took something from this and can talk management into giving the young players some time to develop.

by timmy_ on Dec 15, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Generally, it is easier for teams which are winning in the first half of the season to show patience with rookie starters. If a team like the Astros gets off to a poor first few months, and particularly if the overall offense is viewed as the cause (which is very possible), it increases the pressure on the team to replace a player like Manzella if he is hitting in the mendoza line range. This is what happened to Towles in 2008. Astros’ fans have proven to be very negative toward rookies who get off to slow starts, blasting hitters as “useless” after a month and criticizing the front office for continuing to play the useless rookie over X player (in this case, it would be Keppinger). While it is easy to say that the team should ignore what fans think, I don’t think that Drayton sees it that way.

by clack on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In my example we’re talking about Boston, the fans were not preaching patience with Pedroia and Francona got plenty of flak for continuing to stick with him. Hopefully Mills will be able to have some sort of calming effect on the FO and Drayton, allowing some of these young players to develop.

If management is not willing to change their philosophy on younger players, allowing players like Towles and Paulino to develop, then what’s the point of them rebuilding the farm system. Everyone talks about Castro starting by mid season, what if he’s hitting below .200, or if Jordan Lyles get’s to the bigs and he struggles right off the bat. Not everyone can be a Roy Oswalt or Hunter Pence when they come up. They’re willing to hand jobs to these young players, but not sticking with them when times get tough see Ensberg, Everett 2002, Towles 2008, Manzella 2010.

It needs to start with Towles and Paulino and I’m hoping Mills will be able to set the example and show some patience. Because quite frankly if Drayton is going to listen to the fans over his manager, Mills is in trouble.

by timmy_ on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That pattern for the Astros (lack of patience with young players at the big league level) isn’t that unusual; it’s probably true of many teams. My only point is that patience is easier for teams which are winning early in the season, because the manager feels like the team can win despite the player’s lack of production. This is a point that Garner made, when he talked about Luke Scott’s brief starting gig with the Astros in 2005: he could be more patient with him if it weren’t for the fact that the team started off with a 15-31 record, and began the season in a teamwide offensive slump.

I think the issue of patience for rookies is not simple. A rookie who is hitting .150 sometimes will get down on himself, because he thinks he is letting the team down, and it can be counterproductive to the player’s confidence to keep him at the big league level. I think the Astros went with Towles about as long as they could in 2008. By the time he was sent down, his body language was bad and he appeared to have lost confidence in his ability. In that situation, sending the player back to AAA to re-gain their confidence is justified. I think most people on the TCB boards agreed with the decision to send Towles back to AAA at the time. I thought Wade preached for a lot of patience with Bourn in 2008, and I think the Astros kept him in the starting slot for most of 2008 more than most teams would have done.

by clack on Dec 15, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s just as easy for a team to play someone struggling if they have the realization about their playoff aspirations. The outlook on this team is not good, sure they might catch lightning in a bottle and compete for a playoff spot, but there are a lot of if’s that have to go the Astros way. If Towles was allowed to play all of 2008 the Stros would have a better idea of his true value instead of now we’re hoping he does well. Sure his attitude and body language may of been negative, but I thought Ausmus was brought back for that specific reason.

If you’re going to have them compete in spring training, then name them the starter after spring training, and you want to send them down during the middle of the season because their struggling, fine I don’t have a problem with that. The problem I have with the Towles situation is if you’re going to give them the job before spring training, you better be prepared to take the bad with the good. 2008 was also part of Cooper’s reign so maybe that’s part of the issue as well.

Bourn just helps Towles cause, why did they keep Bourn on the roster but not Towles, Quintero wasn’t anything special. And maybe that’s it, Wade is biased more towards “his” players and doesn’t really care about the players not hand picked by him. Paulino’s ultimatum, last season, is another issue that rubs me the wrong way, and now they’re banking on him to be in the starting rotation this season.

Towles is not the second coming of Joe Mauer, in 2007 when he was called up he had a tremendous September. He played well above what his numbers would indicate, so guess what he regressed more towards his mean at the beginning of 2008. I strongly believe that he would of finished 2008 well, but I could also be wrong and he would of finished 2008 struggling. Either way the Astros would of had a clearer picture on what they have with Towles.

by timmy_ on Dec 15, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Astros were trying to be a contender in 2008, and they did make a run. And, you aren’t going to see this team take any action which is premised on admitting that they aren’t competing for a playoff. Very few mlb teams do. Maybe the Pirates last year did.

I think Brad Mills—and most managers—will say that they aren’t looking at the batting average or stats of the rookie in evaluating whether a player needs to be sent back to AAA. They are more interested in his psyche and confidence level, whether he seems to be able to work on his adjustments, or, in the opposite direction, whether he has descended into just swinging at the first pitch he sees. The Astros said that Bourn never seemed to lose his confidence in 2008, even though his results were bad.

To take a tangent, I always thought the incident in which Pujols ran over Towles (when there was no play at the plate) and the subsequent statements by LaRussa calling out Towles (“he has a lot to learn about being a catcher”) seemed to be a turning point for J.R. last season. Towles’ offensive numbers were encouraging at that point, and then took an absolute nose dive after that incident. I was disappointed that Cooper never defended Towles, and then when Backe tried to defend Towles the next day (the shoving incident with Pujols), Cooper refused to comment again. I wonder if Towles’ confidence took a blow.

by clack on Dec 15, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully Brad Mills will be different manager then. If Towles had lost confidence and wasn’t getting any support at the major league level then it was probably a good idea for him to be sent down to the minors.

When I hear that they’re naming a young guy a starter before spring training, that’s a commitment, we have confidence in you as a player that you will produce. Then 54 games in when he’s not doing so hot, instead of saying “we’re with you no matter what”, which can build confidence, they’re pulling the guy saying “uh ya we don’t think you have what it takes, we made a mistake”.

I’m not saying your wrong, that’s just how I perceive things. I’m also a Towles homer =P

by timmy_ on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

should be “2008” not “last season”

by clack on Dec 15, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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