Who should round out the coaching staff?
Now that Brad Mills was named the 18th manager of our precious Stros there is still work to do. We have to build a staff. So lets throw out some names and share some thoughts on the matter.
Dave Clark and Sean Berry are in still in place at their respective positions of third base coach and hitting coach, but there is still much to be done. The Stros have to add a bench coach, pitching coach, first-base coach and bullpen coach. Berry and Mills live near each other in California so at least going in Mills has someone he knows. Of course it would be good to get more guys that Mills is comfortable with, and the front office is going to want input likely meaning that they'll take guys who are affiliated to the organization.
According to Brian McTaggart, Mills mentioned after his press conference that he has already talked to Terry Francona about members of his Boston coaching staff. There's obviously one person who comes to mind in that regard, Tim Bogar. Many people were hoping Bogar would get the job as manager so it'd be pretty sweet having him the bench coach. There is another person to consider who knows Mills well and has ties to the organization and that's Gary Tuck, Boston's current bullpen coach. Tuck spent eight years as a coach in the Astros organization, including managing the AA Columbus Astros in 1986 to a league championship and Manager of the Year honors. Both would be excellent gets, but can we get them away from Boston? Would he accept a lateral move to bullpen coach of the Stros? Who knows. Maybe first base coach. I'm sure there are more guys who have ties to both Mills and the Astros but I just took a look at the surface.
In my opinion we should add one of the above mentioned Red Sox and as good as both of those additions would be I have one concern regarding the possibility of bringing in both or even one of them. With a new manager who spent his last 6 years in the AL I think he needs someone who has been in the NL in the past year or two who knows the tendencies of the younger players on opposing teams. We could land that with an NL pitching coach and be fine with him, Clark and Berry, but it's hard to say for numerous reasons.
It's hard to find articles regarding the addition of a bench coach and pitching coach because it's not huge new, but lets talk. Since we have very knowledgeable and thorough fans on here lets put our heads together and come up with who we think will be the other members of the coaching staff who will be trying to lead our Stros back to the playoffs.
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Out of the box thoughts…Larry Dierker as pitching coach?
Al Pedrique as first base coach?
Jeff Bagwell as bench coach?
by David Coleman on Oct 28, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could go with those but I don't know if Dierker or Bagwell are realistic
I hope I’m wrong b/c I’d be especially thrilled to see Dierker back in the dugout. Might be a little old though.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 28, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting ideas in the post, astrosws. Mills has so much experience and with so many different organizations that he must have a wide array of contacts with coaches, and I’m sure he found people at each of his stops that he thought would be good future hires if he ever got a manager job. It would be interesting to know which pitching coaches he has worked with in the past. All of the Red Sox pitching coach possibilities seem out of bounds right now…the current Red Sox pitching coach turned down a managing job to stay put and the Pirates hired the previous Red Sox pitching coach. The Red Sox pitching coach before that worked as the Astros pitching coach in 07, before leaving on his own accord. It’s too bad that the Astros didn’t hang on to Mike Maddux, who was pitching coach in Corpus for awhile, since he is now considered one of the best pitching coaches…doubtful that the Astros could lure him away from Nolan Ryan and the Rangers. Billy Hatcher still coaches with the Reds, and is someone who always seemed like he wanted to come back to the Astros. He used to be the Reds’ hitting coach…but I’m not sure if he still holds that position.
by clack on Oct 28, 2009 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting ideas from you too clack
Maddux obviously would be amazing but yeah his next position is likely going to be a managing job if he keeps up his solid work in Arlington. Like you though I don’t see him leaving. Hatcher is an interesting hire. Just looked it up and he’s still with Cincy but as the first base coach. If we could have him make a lateral move it wouldn’t be a bad pick up, but I’d like to take a look at some other options as well since sometimes I’m perplexed by things the Reds do. That’s a pretty bad reason to be less than confident though so if he gets hired I trust Wade and Mills.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 28, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did a little search & I found who Mills pitching coach was
when he managed the Dodgers AAA affiliate in 2002, Brent Strom. Ring any bells? He was our pitching coach under Terry Collins in 1996 before Dierker took over in 97. He also was pitching coach for the Royals in 2000. He played a couple years in our minor league system and was pitching coach for our AAA team the Tuscon Toros a couple years before coming to Houston. This could get interesting. Strom was a coach for the Chinese WBC team according to Wikipedia. I know strange. He’s currently the minor league pitching coordinator for the Cards. He’s 61 so pretty old but who knows he’s still in the game and if Mills thinks he’s the man then it could happen I guess.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 28, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the articles about Dave Duncan’s problems with the Cardinals’ organization mention that he has differences with the Cardinals’ minor league pitching philosophy and is upset that he doesn’t have enough input. I suppose that would put Strom in the middle of that alleged internal power struggle, even though it doesn’t necessarily mean Strom and Duncan or at odds. Luhnow and the sabermetric side of the Cardinals’ front office apparently direct some of the minor league pitching operations. That probably means that Strom would be aware of how cutting edge statistical analysis is applied to development of pitchers.
by clack on Oct 28, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don't know how to look at that.
I guess one way to look at it is that if they hire Strom then Drayton and Ed will both have hired someone they’ve fired before lol. Sorry I just had to say it.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about...
Wade Boggs at first or bench. Sorry, had some childhood memories flooding in.
by Mr. Imperial on Oct 28, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If I was going offer a former player a coaching postion it would be Biggio. Then I would maybe see if Tom Glavin would be interested in a Pitching coach job
by wadero on Oct 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Biggio, Glavine or Boggs
I don’t think Biggio would yet. Maybe down the road. Glavine would be incredible and Boggs would be pretty sweet too!
by Astrosws20 on Oct 28, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another ex-Astros player who has a good coaching reputation is Billy Doran. He was a bench coach for the Royals, and was considered a managerial candidate a couple of years ago. Doran is now the base running and infield defense coordinator for the Reds’ minor league system. The Astros could use some help in coaching both infield defense and base running. Doran was a terrific defensive 2d baseman with the Astros. But he is from Cincinnati and lives there now…so he may like it where he is at.
by clack on Oct 28, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Astro's coaches....
I would love to see Boggs in an Astro uniform, but I think he would want to much money. Uncle Drayton is to cheap to hire Boggs!!! I wouldn’t mind seeing Glavine handling the pitchers either.
by nflhou02 on Oct 28, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One name to keep an eye on: Ron Jackson
He was a hitting coach for Boston from 2003-2006 while Mills was there, and he’s currently the hitting coach at AAA Round Rock. For what it’s worth, the Red Sox had the highest batting average in baseball in 2003, 2004 (tied w/ LAA), and 2005. Jackson’s contract was not renewed in 2006 after the Sox’s batting average fortunes took a sudden turn and were third from the bottom of the AL heap.
by AstroAndy on Oct 28, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice. That'd be pretty good.
Would be good to have two coaches (Berry and then Jackson) who know so much about hitting and can help all the batters out.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 28, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same thought crossed my mind, Andy.
In 08, I recall several veteran Astros hitters. like Ausmus, when they were slumping last year, mentioning what Papa Jack (Jackson’s nickname) told them during spring training. It always seemed interesting to me that he made more of an impression on veterans in his brief spring training work than the regular hitting coach, Berry. I wonder if the poor Round Rock hitting last year will have a negative impact on hiw he is perceived though.
by clack on Oct 29, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Duncan is my choice for pitching coach
Assuming that is unrealistic and despite my not knowing much about other pitching coaches, It seems to me Burt Hooton earned a return engagement for his work at Round Rock.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 29, 2009 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True Hooton did do a pretty darn good job at RR this year.
He’s probably the most likely to get it.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was thinking Hooton would be a fine choice assuming Mills is good for it.
by OremLK on Oct 29, 2009 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see JD
of course we lose out on the awesome color commentary.
by timmy_ on Oct 29, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ehh I can’t see him giving up his cushy job for it
by OremLK on Oct 29, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah color commentators have life pretty good. I don't know if I'd give it up
especially under our organization where coaches come and go so much.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 29, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing out a couple more interesting names I found while looking for Wade/Mills connections
In another thread, clack posted about how Mills used some advance scouting on Holliday to help get Papelbon his first ever pickoff in Game 2 of the 2007 World Series. The advance scout who gave him that info? His name is Dana LeVangie. He’s a Boston lifer, but he was a catcher in the minors and spent 8 years as Boston’s bullpen catcher.
Another possible name, this time with Ed Wade connections, is Ramon Henderson. He was an infielder for the Phillies for 7 years, and was the bullpen coach for the Phillies during Ed Wade’s tenure there. He’s currently a coach with the Phillies Hi-A team.
Fun Fact: David Newhan is player-coaching for the Phillies’ AAA team now.
by AstroAndy on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
David Newhan may be happy to see Cecil Cooper gone. Newhan was cut in spring training and left with a parting shot at Cooper. Wade had promised Newhan that he would be given a shot at the utility infielder position, including an opportunity to show what he could do at shortstop. Cooper never allowed Newhan to play shortstop, and told the media something like, “I want someone who can play shortstop, not just stand there in the shortstop position.” When he left, Newhan said he was upset with Cooper’s pattern of criticizing players to the media without ever talking to the players, pointing out that this communications problem stretched back to 2008. Although it was a long shot that Newhan would be proficient in that role, he had spent his time on the side fields in spring training trying to practice shortstop, without knowing that Cooper had no intent of using him there in a spring game.
by clack on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One good example of why Cooper was not a good fit to be manager from the start.
This might be a little drastic and I am only in my 20s so I haven’t seen as much as most but Cooper honestly might have been one of the worst managers I ever saw. He’s a decent coach and not bad at executing a managers philosophy and stuff but he just wasn’t suited to be a leader in that way.
by Astrosws20 on Oct 29, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Hat tip to AstrosCounty for the following)
Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting that the Astros have gotten permission to speak with the Phillies’ NY-Penn league batting coach, Bobby Meacham, for a position with the Astros major-league staff.
Meacham was a shortstop for the Yankees for a while in the 80’s. He’d later go on to be the Marlins’ third-base coach in 2006, the Padres first-base coach in 2007 (where Ed Wade was a scout at the time), and third-base coach for the 2008 Yankees.
He was a big Joe Girardi ally on the 2006 Marlins squad. Scuttlebutt is that Girardi relied on Meacham too much in 2008 when he was coaching the Yankees and it ticked off some of the other coaches (the name I see mentioned in particular is Tony Pena).
by AstroAndy on Oct 29, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meacham would be an interesting add
by Astrosws20 on Oct 29, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Mecham be batting coach
and move Sean Berry somewhere else?? (Bench coach or first base coach?)
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 29, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Meacham named first-base coach and Al Pedrique as bench coach.
Pitching coach is still an open position.
by AstroAndy on Oct 30, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Footer beat him to the twitter-punch by two minutes or so.
by AstroAndy on Oct 30, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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