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Houston Astros or Baltimore Orioles?

It's the offseason, but not quite, since the World Series hasn't finished yet. The hometown nine have hired a manager, meaning the only reshaping they will do between now and the start of spring training is a few free agent additions and possibly a trade.

Basically, we've hit the point in the year when news is going to slow down. But, in the absence of games or transactions or the like, my mind wandered to a pretty interesting comparison. Are the Houston Astros the NL version of the Baltimore Orioles?

Think about it: The Orioles went to two straight American League Championships and followed it up with 12 straight losing seasons. Baltimore columnist Peter Schmuck also doesn't see hope for the team next season. Sound familiar? The Astros followed up an NLCS and World Series appearance with four straight seasons of missing the playoffs. Sure, they finished over .500 in two of them, but if you don't make the dance, does it really count?

Both teams paid 100 million for aging left fielders who had some attitude issues and were more known for their hitting prowess than their actual fielding ability.

Both teams were part of lopsided trades with each other involving borderline Hall of Famers (The Astros sent Mike Cuellar to Baltimore for nothing; the Astros got Curt Schilling for an aging Glenn Davis).

Both teams have had pretty barren farm systems of late; it should be noted, however, that the Orioles are considered to have a pretty decent minor league system now.

Both teams play in divisions with two of the best players in baseball (Pujols and Kate Hudson's boyfriend).

Both teams were once covered by none other than Richard Justice.

Both have had five different managers since 1997. The list could go on and on with these minor similarities, but the major one, the one that got me thinking about this in the first place is the owners.

Peter Angelos is a louder, more boisterous Drayton McLane.

Think about it. Both micromanage their employees. Both have final say over contracts, trades, etc. Both routinely mess up potential deals to keep players they like personally. Each is independantly wealthy and can spend money like the top teams in baseball, but both choose not to do so consistently. Both overvalue "splash" moves, like signing Miguel Tejada or trading for...Miguel Tejada.

Each got nice, new ballparks built that were supposed to dramatically increase their revenue streams, but both have threatened that by alienating fans. Neither enjoy dealing with Scott Boras, though Angelos seems to have learned how to at least tolerate him.

Lest this be considered a flattering comparison, I should note that until Andy McPhail was hired and given a de-facto carte blanche to remake the team, Angelos was considered one of the most meddling owners around. It was hard to do business with them because no one knew whether the big guy would ultimately approve certain moves. Sound familiar?

I hope the Astros aren't headed for another eight years without making the playoffs, but the comparisons with the two owners are hard to miss. The worst part is, you can trade bad players, you can fire bad management, but you can't do a damned thing about the guy who owns your favorite team. You just have to hope a messy divorce forces him to sell.

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the Justice thing is the kiss of death

I think some of the other points fall into the realm of coincidence and most are not unique to only the Orioles & Astros, but I had never considered the Plague of Justice. He used to cover the Redskins too and look what’s happened to them.

by lnewcomer on Oct 28, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Big Difference

is the farm system: the Orioles have

Matusz
Wieters (aka God’s Left Nut)
Arrieta
Erbe
Reimold
Tillman
Snyder
etc.

That’s much better than the Astros.

by astrosfanforever on Oct 28, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

to be fair, he points that out

and good article idea, David. I’ve thought of this comparison myself and you did a nice job with the analysis.

by Evan Hochschild on Oct 28, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post

I want to write the Astros are in much better shape than the Orioles, if for no other reason than Houston is a better place than Baltimore.

But I cannot think of anything to refute the parallels.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 28, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Just thought of something

Do Orioles have a Phildelphia Phillies connection?
No sirree –
Proves my point, whatever it is

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 28, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Houston team is named after artificial grass
 while the Baltimore team is named after a cookie.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 28, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

not trying to be "that guy", but

while astroturf was made prior to the astros using it, it was not given its current name until it was already in use at the astrodome. it was originally called chemgrass.

i need a hobby.

by robolundgren on Oct 28, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are correct

Nothing in that entry is accurate. I was tired and in a silly mood at work and that came to mind.i knew it was inaccurate.

I figured it was so goofy everyone would see the silliness. (instead I got two offers to host radio talk shows (that’s not true either))

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 28, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The McCourts Divorce

I had to laugh.
Wife is president of Dodgers.
Husband as owner fires Wife from her president’s job,
Wife says you cannot fire me. Under California Community Property law, I own half of “our” stock.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 28, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't thinik it matters

California has a quasi-community law that treats separate property under common law jurisdictions as community property when a couple divorces in California. not sure if it is rebuttable.

What I don’t know is if Husband has Management rights and Wife “only” has economic rights.

By the way i fell in love with Wife the instant I saw her (Well I haven’t actually seen her yet or even a picture of her, but I think we’d make a happy couple – we’re both baseball fans for one)

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 28, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Orioles-Astros comparison has been made with some frequency lately.

I’ve always thought it was odd that Drayton McLane and Peter Angelos could be polar opposites in political philosophy (McLane, the conservative Republican, and Angelos, the liberal Democrat) but so very similar in their traits as baseball owners. To some extent, you could make similar team comparisons if you pick particular time periods, or long enough time periods, because team success tends to run in cycles. Seven years ago and the Astros seemed immensely successful, with an “organization of the year” award from Baseball America under its belt, and the Orioles seemed to be declining rapidly. At this point, the Astros farm system has hit bottom, but the Orioles organization seems to be rebounding at the farm level.

I also like to compare organizations in terms of the kinds of players they prefer. And it always seemed to me that the Orioles and Astros had similar preferences in players. Over the years, there have been many trade rumors involving the two teams, which I think indicated that scouts and front office people in the two organizations like each others’ players. The Astros and Orioles both were among the top bidders for Carlos Lee. The Orioles signed former Astros Wigginton, Huff, and Mora. And I think the Tejada trade was helped along by the fact that the Orioles appreciated some of the Astros players like Scott, Patton and Albers more than most other teams. Angelos always resisted trading Tejada because he loved him. McLane and his front office lusted after Tejada for many years. And after McLane finally got his man, Tejada became one of McLane favoite players, just like he was Angelos’.

by clack on Oct 28, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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