The Final Four: Vote for your top Astros managerial candidate
Listen, it's Friday. You're tired, I'm tired. I've got a short amount of time to dedicate to the post while anxiously awaiting a preview copy of the Bill James Projections (projection season is underway and this one hasn't even started yet!!). So let's cut to the chase.
There are four managerial candidates left. If you read this site at all, you're probably familiar enough with all of them to make an informed decision. So let's have you do that right now. If HLP and I's conversations with Fred and Matt of ESPN Radio held any truth, this is a really, really smart, and informed, community of a Astros fans. So let's get our voice out there. Maybe we can sway the front office to see the wisdom in our selection.
Or maybe we can just kill a Friday afternoon debating. Either way, it's time to put the final four candidates to a vote.
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by Stephen Higdon on Oct 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd be fine
with Garner or Acta, but I was really hoping for Bogar.
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by hunterpencefan on Oct 23, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions
Now, I’m not saying I just read a JdJO post…but it looks like Clark is not a finalist. Not that it matters, since Clark isn’t getting any votes in this poll.
I’d be quite happy with either Acta or Mills, and I’d only be mildly disappointed with Garner (as opposed to extraordinarily disappointed with an out-of-nowhere snag of Dusty Baker or something), so all-in-all, I’ll feel comfortable with whatever the outcome. Whoever gets the gig, I hope it means we can bring Bogar into the fold as bench coach.
If we get Garner I will be flat out embarrassed!!!
I mean seriously that will just add to the thought of how incompetent our front office is. I was honestly hoping for Bogar so I guess he’s out the window which I’m not too surprised about. I would also be ecstatic with Mills and be very happy with Acta. Give me Acta or Mills and I’ll be happy. Give us Garner and my head will be in my hands.
I could see it just if they offer him the job first.
If you get a job offer then you have to take it regardless of whether your dream job is a possibility or not. He doesn’t know if the Astros will select him so go with the sure thing if offered.
I Voted for Garner
There, I said it.
For me, it essentially comes down to him or Acta. I don’t see anything particularly compelling in Clark. Mills seems like the right guy for the wrong organization.
So, when I consider Acta and Garner, I’m looking at the Astros future versus the Astros past. It seems like we are closer to the Astros past than we are to the Astros future.
And, the Astros past is nothing to sneeze at. Garner either gets some kudos and credit for the team’s success in ‘04, ’05, and the near-miss in ’06, or he can’t be pinned for the ‘07 collapse. We can’t have it both ways.
Acta looks like perhaps a good fit for the future ‘stros, but my trouble is, the future ’stros are at least a couple of years away from materializing. And I can’t easily turn a blind eye to the Nats’ terrible record as others have done here.
The Astros organization is not ready for a guy like Acta yet, in my opinion.
So even if we disregard his official record with the Nats, that’s two strikes against him: lack of team potential and lack of organizational support.
With Gar, he is a known quantity. And I think we need some kind of stability to see the fading years of Berkman and Oswalt. Like it or not, the Astros are still going to be a veteran heavy, geriatric team next year. And Gar is probably the best candidate to manage that kind of setup. At least Wade won’t get in his way, and he won’t have the Biggio-at-the-top-of-the-lineup albatross around his neck.
I’m willing to give him a second shot, fully aware that it might not work out, and that he is probably most definitely unlikely to be a several year manager.
The person they select may indicate what direction the Astros plan to go. Garner I could see them signing some low priced veterans to fill the roster, Acta they decide to lean towards a younger team.
I don’t see a veteran heavy roster at this point in the offseason, it could be depending on what they decide this offseason. If you look at the starting lineup Berkman, Lee and Matsui will be the only for sure returning veterans. The starting rotation has Oswalt, Moehler and depending on your definition of veteran Wandy. With the payroll decreasing next year there is a very good possibility that 5 starting positions and at least 2 rotation spots will be filled by younger guys (disregarding the bench and bullpen).
by Timothy De Block on Oct 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i voted for mills, he seems like the right guy for the job, im not too high on acta, and not because he did bad with a terrible team in washington, i dont fault him for that, but i think that people around here want him more because of his history with the club, rather than his savvy as a manager
i wouldnt be as mad as some other readers have indicated with the garner hire, because lets face it, he is a good manager, the players love him, and i like him too, its hard to be disappointed in a managerial hire when you really like the guy they hire, regardless of whether you think it was the right choice or not
anyway whoever they give the job to they need to be prepared to stick with him for the longhaul, enough with all the turnover in this organization
Here's what a Nationals fan wrote about Manny Acta (I have no idea if he's right)
Um, Manny – you were sacked because you couldn’t improve a side (they got worse). And your lack of disclipne created more issues within the clubhouse and on the field. Managers manage people. Good ones get the best out of people – you didnt. The way that the Nats lost games is the story behind the Ls.
I hope Acta learnt more from his time here than just he was given a team with bad talent.
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by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 23, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
On the other hand, Majority of Indians fans hope Acta will manage the Indians
(though they prefer Woody Fryman – who is not even a candidate)
I like this Acta quote on bunting: "It’s been proven to me that a guy at first base with no outs has a better chance to score than a guy at second base with one out. That has been proven to me with millions of at-bats. I don’t like moving guys over from first to second unless the pitcher is up or it is real late in the game. "
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by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
This article backs up the Nationals fan to some extent
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/14/AR2009071403235.html
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by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Really what we need?
from the sound of that article, im not sure acta is the guy. i think the ideal next manager needs to be able to form great relationships with his players, and be extremely demanding of them, hopefully in a way that charlie manuel operates in philly
maybe that can be acta, but that article doesnt make it sound too promising, can he learn from his ways and become a more demanding manager? i have no idea, but if he gets hired we will soon find out. The best thing he has going for him is his love for the astros and passion for the game, its those two things that might very well get him hired, we’ll see if he can build on them to become a great manager
PS am i the only one that is a bit surprised Mackanin didnt make the cut? i thought it would be between him garner mills and acta, apparently though he didnt make the cut, i wonder why?
I agree with a point davoag made in some previous posts—-teams tend to pick a “player’s manager” after they have had a tough ass manager. These things tend to be reactionary, running in cycles. A " wound tight," tough talking guy like Terry Collins, who has irritated key players, is replaced by the laid back Larry Dierker. Cooper was similar to Collins in that he was wound tight , talked tough, and pissed off the players. So, it’s not surprising that the Astros look for a more even keeled, “player’s manager,” like Acta or Garner. I agree with the idea that managers shouldn’t call out players publicly, and I think Acta takes the right approach if he tries to avoid dressing down players in front of others on the team. From the beginning, Astros’ players were upset with Cooper’s tendency to criticize players publicly, often before he told them. I think it’s rare, though, when a manager is asked to rehabilitate the personalities of problem-plagued guys like Milledge, Dukes, and Young—-all at the same time. It’s hard to define the right approach, and failure is likely.
At this point, I wish the Astros would make their decision on managers soon… all of this guessing is getting tiresome. I’m ready for them to select somebody, whomever it is, and get on with the task of hiring coaches, which may be equally important to finding the right manager.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Oct 25, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions

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