Pittsburgh Pirates at Houston Astros, Wild Card Implications Abound
Pittsburgh Pirates at Houston Astros, Sep 9, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
Five games out. A 2.74% shot at stealing the Wild Card away from Milwaukee. (Source: Baseball Prospectus). Raise your hand or tap your mouse here if you thought that would be the case a month ago. We're playing with house money folks. Simple as that. Nobody- not the naysayers, the homers, the stat heads or the casual fan seriously thought the Astros would be this position. My take is simple: enjoy it. Revel in it. We've got a nice schedule to close out the season. The Brewers have three series against the Cubs (twice) and Phillies. Yeeesh. It'd be one thing to have been in the hunt all year, and then miss out on a spot in the last week. It's another to have been out of it, then to gradually become relevant through some luck, but also through outstanding play. Randy Wolf pitches tonight, and I'm still all warm and tingly from that start he made in Chicago. Mark Saccamano went all Roy Hobbs on us last night, hitting a tater to right field in his first AB at home since being called up from AAA Round Rock. Signing the Darin Erstad's of the world may not have the brightest financial move, but you could justify him being on a contending club. Another strong hand to steady the ship. Pieces are falling into place. What's more with the success of Chris Johnson, Alberto Arias making good on his first start as an Astros, and the solid early returns on our youngest members of the farm system, there seems to be a decent foundation in place for the future. Whodathunkit? Ed Wade, I doft my cap in your direction, and ready myself to watch the club you assembled hopefully take down a former Yankee tonight.
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Sorry
Whoever it was that pointed out that Randy Wolf, and not Roy Oswalt was pitching tonight- thank you. I couldn’t remove the Roy O widget, so I just decided to create a new game thread. Root, root, root for the Red Legs too.
by Evan Hochschild on Sep 9, 2008 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorta funny
This is an excerpt from a Hardball Times article, giving each of the 30 MLB teams a song to describe their season:
Houston Astros: “Wouldn’t It Be Nice” by the Beach Boys. Wouldn’t it be something if their late-season charge could amount to something for them? On July 11, the Nationals beat them by 10 runs, causing the last place Astros to fall to 42-51 on the year. Since then they’ve kept rising up. Despite playing brilliantly lately, they are still stuck in fourth place, with apparently little chance to play in October. Their streak will likely mean nothing . . . but wouldn’t it be nice for them if either the Brewers and/or Cubs collapsed allowing Houston a shocking wild card?
by Evan Hochschild on Sep 9, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice job by Blum & Berkman
that was a tough play
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doumit's eyes
Creepy. Looks like he has no soul.
by Evan Hochschild on Sep 9, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I tried to post this on the last thread.. i guess I'll post it here.
I check the match ups for relevant games tonight and we have pretty favorable match-ups for most games.
The Marlins are throwing a good rookie up against the Phils tonight with a 3.32 ERA while the Phils have Kyle Kendrick who has an ERA above 5 on the season and a 9+ ERA in his last 5 starts. As you can see from the score Joe just posted (on the old thread.. the score is 7-1 Marlins) , that ERA has probably gone up quite a bit. Advantage: Marlins (I thought this before the game started, but it’s pretty clear now.)
For the Reds and Brewers game, the Reds are using a rookie pitcher themselves. He’s pitched only 10 innings this year and has an ERA of 2.70 with 10 strike outs. This was against the Pirates and Giants however. A better team might be able to do some damage against him. As for the Brewers, they are going with Jeff Suppan. He’s been OK, but he had a good August. Fortunately for us, he can be lit up (we did with 8 runs on July 27th) and his last start wasn’t that great, giving up 4 earned runs in 5.1 innings against a weak team: the Padres. Advantage: Brewers (slightly – let’s hope the rookie surprises us.)
The Cubs and Cards are going with Ryan Dempster and Kyle Lohse. I’m sure you all know these two guys so I won’t go into details, but they have both been good recently. I’m going to give the advantage (another slight one) to the Cubs on this one.
And finally, the game we are all watching. Wolf vs. Olhendorf at Minute Maid Park. Wolf has been pretty good since joining the team, so we should expect another good performance out him tonight, especially against the Pirates. Olhendorf was acquired in the Nady trade from the Yankees and he pitched two innings against us this year, giving up one run. He is making his second Major League start tonight and sports a 6.26 ERA, so we should have an opportunity to run away with the game early. Advantage: Astros (by a large margin)
So we are looking at something like:
Marlins over Phillies
Brewers over Reds
Cubs over Cards
Astros over Pirates.
5 games back from the Wild Card and 3rd in the Central by the end of the night with our Wild Card elimination number dropping to 13.
That’s my prediction.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
nice analysis. yea, i was having problems altering the old thread, so i just deleted it.
by Evan Hochschild on Sep 9, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I got a lot of it from mlb.com's Probable Pitchers..
and just threw in my two cents. :p
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates score first. 1-0 Pirates..
I’m confident Wolf can keep them in check though.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Make that 2 - 0.
Fielding is sucking.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time I was driving on an errand and listening to the radio guys...
Milo was ranting about the bad defense tonight and last night. The other guy implied that one of the runs wouldn’t have scored if Pence had hustled more. He said Doumit would have stopped at 3d but he looked at RF and saw that Pence was taking his time. I didn’t see it…just heard the radio guys.
by clack on Sep 9, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so much that pence was slow
but the ball really died in the corner and once he got to it, he dropped it. even if he plays it perfectly i’m not sure they make the play.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q's throw however
was stupid. it looked like he intended to throw to third, but saw the runner was not far off 2nd and changed his mind mid throw. either that or he was trying to fake the runner and ended up air mailing it to center
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh randy
you came and gave up some runnssss. but i love you anyway, oh randy.
by Evan Hochschild on Sep 9, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile... the Marlins have increased their lead to 9-1
Over the Phillies.
We won’t be losing any ground to them tonight.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are jumping on Lohse early.
3 consecutive hits and now a 2-0 lead in the first.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No go for Bourn, but he gets a full count before grounding out.
Erstad singles, setting up the double play for Tejada.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I lied.
Tejada also singles.
Now, hit a bomb, Berkman.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PUMA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3-2 Astros on a Puma Homer
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Reds just got out of a bases loaded 1-out jam
In the 1st against the Brewers.
Brewers managed to score 1, though.
1-0 Brew Crew
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scoreless 2nd inning for Wolf.
Lets pad this lead now.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Berkman is out of his slump
We saw him come out of it last night. He confirmed he is back with that much needed 3 run homerun in the first to erase that ugly Pirates lead.
And Tejada hit !
Mets Phillies and Cardinals trail in their respective games. Brewers lead the Reds but it’s not the ninth inning yet.
Feeling good
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Sanchez is leaving the game...
Anyone know why?
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
coop slowly makes his way to home plate
to argue this weird play.
i’m w/ jd, how did the other umps overrrule the home plate ump?
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Foul pop caught by catcher
Question was did ball hit the roof and thus out of play or not in which case Newhan was out . Home plate umpire initially said ball hit something . After conferring with other umpires he called Newhan out.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q trying to make the Astros
say “J.R. who?” next spring
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i assume everyone's aware
but just in case. The Cubs-Cards game is on WGN if your cable/sat has that channel.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wolf pitches another hitless inning.. putting that suck ass 1st behind him.
middle 3rd. Woot.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tejada took a big swing
but hit off end of the bat and fooled the left fielder. dropped in for a hit. 2 on, 0 out.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well he did, just on a line
RBI double, tejada to 3rd
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erstad singled
Then Tejada lucky single to left
Berkman RBI double
Rollin’
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOLZ - you can stop the Astros, silly Pirates.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pirates catcher
seems to receive the ball kinda funny. not sure if it’s this pitcher’s stuff or what
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs scored again
one on, one out, top 4th
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blum walked to load the bases
for Hunter Pence
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pence hit to third who threw Tejada out at home
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blum walked
hunter bounced into F/c to third.
bases still loaded, 1 out
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded, no outs
Nevermind. Pence batted :p
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can i call a newhan GS here?
i shouldn’t, but i will. calling it.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I called the puma homer so why not.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros lead 5-2
But slopping baserunning may have cost them more runs.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Prince Fielder walks in the 3rd
but gets caught stealing for the 2nd out.
I’m sure “caught stealing” was just the scorer being generous. He probably just got tired of standing up next to first and lay down for a nap. :p
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wolf pitches his 3rd hitless...
Meanwhile Phillie really trying to make a comeback. 10-8 against the Marlins in the 6th.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at that. Bourn got a hit. 1-3 today.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and doubled home by Erstad
Erstad 3-3 tonight. 6-2 good guys
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and doubled home by Erstad
Erstad 3-3 tonight. 6-2 good guys
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies trying to come back
Trail Marlins 10-8 after six innings
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mets take the lead in their game 10-8 in the seventh
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cards tied it up
with I guess a 3 run HR (they had two on and I think the score was still 3-0; next time I looked it was tied) don’t know who hit it.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did bill brown just make a terrorism joke?
something about 3 guys named abu
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, not one of his finer moments...
he started off with a mistake about Cincy’s ramon ramirez, a rookie. bill brown said he was with the Rockies earlier this year, and JD said I think that is someone else. bill said, “well that is such a common name, kind of like John Smith…then went off comparing it to "Abu” in the arab world, and from there started talking about terorists.
by clack on Sep 9, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, doesn't seem like him
i’m not offended, but it’s probably something that on further review he should have left unsaid.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he meant anything by it all....
but each time he tried to cover up the error, he said something that just dug a deeper hole.
by clack on Sep 9, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
triple! puma! triple!
first pitch is chin music up and in
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reds
Have put another 2 on the board, top 6. 3-1 Cincinnati
by Xan on Sep 9, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go, REDS!!!!!
No, I’m not talking “commies” :) that is why they changed their name to “redlegs” during the McCarthy era of the 50’s.
by clack on Sep 9, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hunter has a hitting streak on the line
right?
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hitting streak lives at lesat
and they’re going to take a look at the replay.
as the game grinds to a halt.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't really close
you can see the top of the yellow line crunch down. and it didn’t hit anything behind the wall to make it bounce back.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9-2 Astros after Hunter Pence double
Instant Replay Instant Replay Instant Replay Instant Replay
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Upon further review
the double stands
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This call being decided
in New York City. Get a rope!
by Xan on Sep 9, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate replay
i think it was a rushed decision, driven by a couple bad calls in NY.
baseball has always had the human element and i’m happy to settle for that. it’ll only get expanded to more and more stuff over time.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not impressed with the practice of tossing opposing HR balls back on the field.
It seems like we are just copying the Cubs’ fans. And who wants to copy them?
by clack on Sep 9, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Randy Wolf leaves after 7 innings
After a poor start giving up 2 runs on 2 hits in the first inning, he pitched a one-hitter the rest of his stay (the one hit being a homerun). He deserves a win tonight, and a pat on the back.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hear, hear
The last few weeks, whoever has needed to be a hero has been one.
by Xan on Sep 9, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was a single up the middle mixed in there somewhere
around the 5th i think
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies do have 4 hits
I can’t count so good.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how weird is that
first major league AB – home run
second AB – reach via catcher’s interference.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs up in the 9th
man on first, 0 out. soriano up
still tied 3-3
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
soriano hit into DP
theriot lined out. bot 9th coming up.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cards win
check swing grounder just behind the mound. throw home was late.
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
i really wanted to pass them tonight
by lnewcomer on Sep 9, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well.. still only half a game up...
Cubs in a free fall. They are lucky the Brewers are too.
Meanwhile.. in the more important game, an error by Weeks leads to a bases loaded, 1 out situation for the Reds. and the Reds hitter is immediately 2-0.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2-2 on the hitter now...
COME ON SAC FLY!!!
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Hairston is batting now.. with a full count.
COME ON WALK!!!
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn!!
He grounded into a force out! at home!!
2 outs now.. come on Reds!
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 on now..
but only the lead runner matters since they are playing in St. Louis. I thnk the chances of the Cards scoring may have gone down with that walk. Wouldn’t you think?
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you lay down a good sac bunt, I suppose.
Not used to seeing those.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies Lose 10-8
love it
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mets win 10-8
oh well
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AS long as one of them losses a lot, it's cool
We don’t need to pass them both.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds and Brewres tied at 4 in the seventh
I’m scoreboard watching
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
I called a Brewers win earlier tonight. Hope I’m wrong.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ASTROS WIN 9-3
The first non-close game in a long time.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Over in the Reds/Brewers game...
Votto hits a ground rule double to start off the ninth.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Encarnacion walks.
2 on, 1 out for the Reds.
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berkman had a good game.
3-4 with 4 RBI.. a homer .. cool beans
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals beat the Cubs
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAH
4 games out!! Told you not to give up!!
by entropic soul on Sep 9, 2008 11:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4 back almost seems like being in the lead.
Destiny calls
When do we start giving Drayton McLane his due? He kept the faith when almost everyone else faltered.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Sep 9, 2008 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In both '04 and '05
we had the wild card lead my September 10th. Believe it or not, this would be the best of our runs. It feels different though? Maybe it’s because we’re doing it with a bunch of new guys.
Erstad, Wiggy, Wolf, Blum, Newhan, Valverde.
Bourn to Run!
by jsams on Sep 10, 2008 12:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And in '06
we were 4 games back by the tenth. Couldn’t finish that one off.
Bourn to Run!
by jsams on Sep 10, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess time will tell...
The Brewers FAIL big time in September.
by entropic soul on Sep 10, 2008 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2004 Astros didn't take the WC lead until Sept. 29..
that is according to Astrodaily’s history/timeline/2004 section.
by clack on Sep 10, 2008 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
I don’t remember the exact date, but I was definitely there on the Sunday afternoon home game against Colorado when we clinched the WC. I hope we can put ourselves in a similar position this year.
by Evan Hochschild on Sep 10, 2008 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting to see how fast that 2004 team made up ground...
On Sept. 22, the Astros were 3 games behind the Cubs for the WC lead. The Astros took their first lead only one week later, Sept. 29, with a 1/2 game lead over the Cubs. They made up 3.5 games in 1 week.
by clack on Sep 10, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
found this
by meltdown fishing on the BrewCrew site. pretty interesting logjam at the top scenarios:
by littlevisigoth on Sep 10, 2008 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's nice
just being in the conversation at this point. hopefully we can keep it together and stay in this thing.
by littlevisigoth on Sep 10, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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