What's up with Hunter?
Last season was one big coming out party for our young right-fielder. From the day he stepped on the field against Milwaukee and hustled down the line towards first base, he was the Astros' breath of fresh air.
This season, both the league and the law of averages has seemed to catch up to Pence. Coming into the season, it was known that Hunter was not the most selective hitter, at least not yet. Maybe he'd develop into a hitter with more patience and a better batting eye, but as of yet, he hadn't shown that skill. What is sort of odd is that his 2005 season in AA, Pence showed a ton of patience walking in more than 10% of his AB's.He walked frequently in his short stint at Round Rock, and then the rate dropped when he was called up. This could be due to a myriad of reasons: pitchers with better control or Hunter being over-aggressive in his early stages in the majors.
Something interesting that I heard from either Bill Brown or JD a couple nights ago, is that Hunter is seeing the lowest percentage of fast-balls of any hitter in the majors. (I wish I had a link for this, but I don't). This stands to reason, as pitchers have been giving Pence fits with sliders early in counts, and then either striking him out looking on fastballs late, or getting him to roll over to the left side of the infield for groundball outs. This graph shows how Hunter's line drive percentage has dipped quite a bit from last year. This stands to reason, as a fastball is the pitch that hitters salivate over, as far as doing damage offensively. The more Pence falls behind early in the count, the less fastballs he's likely to see, and the less likely he'll hit the ball hard. He may be hitting more fly balls than last year, but fewer are going for extra base hits, as evidenced by a steep drop in his slugging percentage.
So, how worried should we be about Hunter's sophomore slump? One thing that may shed some light on this situation is how not only have pitchers and defenses adjusted to his hitting style, but luck has done the same. His batting average for balls put in play was astronomically high last year, finishing out the year at .378. The major league average is about .300, so Hunter's percentage was an extreme outlier. His 2008 BABIP is almost perfectly the average among major leaguers. In other words, balls that went for hits last year are being turned into outs this year, most likely at a rate greater than just about any hitter in baseball. For comparison's sake, Lance Berkman has seen the exact opposite effect this year. When Berkman was re-writing the record books earlier this season, BABIP undoubtedly played a large role. He may have came crashing back down to earth, but the writing was on the wall for that to occur. Fortunately, he's still young and has time to develop into the kind of major leaguer that is worth building around. Whether he remains more of a hacker in the Vladmir Guerrero style, or takes a page out of the Berkman playbook is yet to be determined. Somewhere in between would probably serve him best-being able to work counts into his favor in order to see more hittable pitches, in orer to take advantage of his natural aggressiveness that served him so well last year.
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Another comment
made by JD right around the All-Star break was that if infield hits were subtracted from Hunter’s record, he would be batting less than .200 on the season. Don’t know if this is accurate, but if so, it probably makes Hunter’s problem a bit more severe.
It takes more than pitching to win a pennant, but not much!
by bwhite2323 on Aug 19, 2008 4:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Via FanGraphs Stats
Hunter Pence has 31 IFH, if you subtract that from his total hits and redivide by his AB, you get a .196 BA. JD was correct…eeeesssshhh.
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by DyingQuail on
Aug 19, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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Using FanGraph also shows that
Michael Bourn would be hitting .188 without counting his infield hits.
Bourn – .188 vs. Pence – .196.
Makes Hunter’s problem look extremely critical.
It takes more than pitching to win a pennant, but not much!
by bwhite2323 on
Aug 19, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
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Hunter has a .301 OBP
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 19, 2008 5:07 PM CDT 0 recs
And people thought I was silly when comparing Pence and Luke Scott last year.
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:p
by entropic soul on Aug 19, 2008 5:22 PM CDT 0 recs
i gotta say
i was a person that said, “see ya, luke”, when he was traded away to get tejada. i thought he was a 30 year old average talent. now ive come to the realization that he wouldve been a nice piece to hold on to. lee, pence, scott?? damn me. and more importantly, damn mike bourn and his sub .600 ops.
by HighLeveragePerformer on
Aug 19, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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Yep
many of us complained that Scott never got a chance to start here…. shows we were right
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on
Aug 19, 2008 6:42 PM CDT
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While I wasn't sad to see Scott leave, I wasn't torn up about it either.
I’ll say this: Pence is 25 years old. The term sophomore slump has been coined for a reason. Ellisbury has struggled the same way. I think that long term, Pence will be the player we thought he’d be. Yes, Scott flourished this year, but, in the end, he was never going to get the chance here and he’ll be 31 next year.
Pence had an injury staggered season. This is his first full year in the show and I think in a year or two we’ll all forget about this.
Infield hits are a function of speed, which Bourn and Pence both possess, so I’m not overly concerned.
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by DyingQuail on
Aug 20, 2008 12:01 AM CDT
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I don't want Scott to replace Pence
With Scott here, Pence plays Center… that makes me happy
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on
Aug 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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Last year, BaseballAnalysts.com had an article comparing the big rookie stats
posted by Braun and Pence. The article opined that Braun is destined for stardom but that Pence is headed toward becoming another Jeff Francouer, a serviceable outfielder but not a star. The Pence-Francouer analogy was based upon the lack of plate discipline shown by Pence in 07. I resisted that conclusion, not because I disagreed with the prediction for Braun (I felt he was the real deal at the time) but rather because I felt Pence would show more plate discipline and become even better this year.
In retrospect, the comparison of Pence to Francouer looks valid so far. Both Francouer and Pence broke in with spectacular rookie seasons (with similar high-800’s OPS), but exhibited a major flaw in their K/BB ratios. Pence’s current mid-700’s OPS is similar to the drop off shown by Francouer in subsequent years. Another disheartening aspect to this comparison: Francouer dropped off a cliff this year and was sent back to the minors for awhile. I think the Astros have to work with Pence on his approach/plate discipline. Both Garner and Cooper have mentioned that they were wary of reigning in Pence’s plate discipline because they thought it might inhibit his natural aggressiveness. That may have been an unwise reaction on their part.
I’m not that concerned about the infield hits by Pence. And the infield hits are an absolute necessity for a guy with Bourn’s skills. Pence’s infield hit total is up there in the Ichiro range. That’s a good thing, IMO. Given that Pence is not a great contact hitter, infield hits need to be a big part of his game in order to maintain a decent OBP. Pence needs to hit more HRs, though. Pence’s HR total in the majors has never met his minor league levels.
by clack on Aug 19, 2008 11:22 PM CDT 0 recs
















