San Francisco Giants at Houston Astros, 7:05 PM CDT
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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San Francisco Giants at Houston Astros, Aug 12, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
Current Series
4 game series vs Giants @ Minute Maid Park
| Mon 08/11 | WP: Brandon Backe (7 - 11) SV: Jose Valverde LP: Jonathan Sanchez (8 - 9) |
3 - 1 win |
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San Francisco Giants Tuesday, Aug 12, 2008, 7:05 PM CDT Partly cloudy with a 80-percent chance of rain. Winds blowing out to right field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 85.
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| Wed 08/13 |
Clear. Winds blowing in from right field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 85. |
7:05 PM CDT |
| Thu 08/14 | 1:05 PM CDT | |
If there is a bright spot in the Giants organization... it's Tim Lincecum... He's been outstanding this year and it shows with his stats. Of ALL the Giants pitchers this season... Lincecum is the ONLY one of them with more than 1 start that has a winning record... and his record is 12-3! Lincecum will be on the short list of NL pitchers in the Cy Young award voting this season... I just hope that the Giants pathetic record doesn't hurt his chances of winning. Lincecum leads all of baseball with 175 K's and is tied with Jake Peavy in the NL with an ERA of 2.68.
Lincecum kind of reminds me of Roy Oswalt... not a big guy, but definitely gets all he can out of his smallish frame. He also has a very nice 12-6 curve ball, much like Roy Oswalt.
I guess Cooper wasn't impressed with Wigginton's home run or his 3 RBI's last night, moving him down to 6th in the lineup. No Pence tonight. I guess Cooper wanted to give him a rest after going 5 for his last 34 AB's(.147 AVG).
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I think Cooper only puts Wiggy at the 2 spot...
when a LHP is on the mound. Cooper even put Wiggy at the lead off spot earlier this year against a LHP (and he had a good game too). Wigginton has one of the bigger LH-RH splits on the team….1.046 OPS vs. LHP and ..779 OPS vs. RHP. I don’t have a quarrel with his batting order today. I might put Wiggy above Blum, but Blum has hit pretty well lately.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
got the ground ball working
i don’t have much confidence on us against lincecum, unless he’s just having a bad day
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy scuffs up a bit.
Two men on after two outs.
by entropic soul on Aug 12, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
solid single + HBP
two men on w/ two out
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Little bit harder next time, Kaz.
Erstad and Tejada follow up with weak grounders to 2nd. blah.
by entropic soul on Aug 12, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 up, 3 down for lincecum
wonder if the giants have a nick for him
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lincecum definitely won the pitch count battle
in the 1st
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I checked McCovey Chronicles or whatever it's called...
and I didn’t see a single nickname used for Lincecum (other than Timmy).
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we are getting crappy Roy today.
Bases loaded, no outs.
by entropic soul on Aug 12, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wheels coming off
walk + single + blum can’t field bunt = bases loaded
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincecome grounds into a force out at home.
Thank god.
by entropic soul on Aug 12, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sac fly by wynn to center
drives in run from third.
throw didn’t look that strong; got slowed by the pitcher’s mound too.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not bad damage control, considering the situation.
1 run out of a bases loaded, no out situation isn’t bad.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damn..
remember when Puma’s batting average was around .380?
by entropic soul on Aug 12, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
baseball is a weird game
somebody going that good can now be struggling so much
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum
on the radio today(790), they were talking about Lincecum and how his father really studied pitching mechanics… Lincecum has some unusual traits about him… 1st, most pitchers stride(length between their back and front foot)when pitching is about 70-80% of their height(which is around 4 1/2 – 5 feet for most pitchers)... Lincecum on the other hand has a stride of about 7 feet. Also, unlike most pitchers, Lincecum NEVER ices his arm after games…
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there was a long article about him
in SI (I think) this year that went thru that same kind of stuff. good article.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He likes to eat in a crouching position. I thought that was pretty weird.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh really...
That is… odd
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh so close
Wigginton gave it a ride, but ultimately failed just short of a 2 run home run.
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon brownie
gotta be careful getting that excited. I missed the initial hit and only heard the call and thought we were ahead
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
patty smith asks what would happen in wolf comes in late in the game
like in a long extra innings game. Brownie and JD are stumped.
I know some people were talking about that last night on the thread
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I asked about it last night
Astros announcers had no answer either.
They brought up the flipside too – do the Astros players yell criticisms at the umpire when it’s Wolf’s brother behind the plate?
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it was my brother
i’d be at the top of the dugout steps the whole game. dare him to toss me.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
she's getting to the bottom of it now
so jim wolf would stay behind the plate. funny.
patty smith, investigative reporter
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Double Play
questionable at 2nd… lets see the replay
Nope, he got him… Nice double play
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad Job by the Fans
Winn came over to catch a ball in foul territory(that was about 3 foot in the stands) and the fans didn’t even try to stop him…
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well that was a nice bounce
rattled around in the corner forever.
tie game
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
more lucky bounces
crazy spin on miggy’s easy hit to second leads to another run
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros lead as Giants fielding
give an indication why they have a losing record
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros scored 2 runs on one hit
lead 2-1
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez, how'd wynn hit that pitch
that far?
funny seeing the 3B coach follow lincecum down the line
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
marketing chick in broadcast booth
tv goes on mute
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how'd the runner get to 2nd
or, alternatively, why wasn’t that a DP ball?
i missed something
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
load the bases for Aurilla?
I don’t feel good about that. Aurillia is one of those gritty veterans who can be a pain in the ass.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
roy gets out of it
lucky to have given up only 3 runs.
just noticed the box score going into the break. astros have only 1 hit
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh man
wow, that ball ricocheted a long way.
even though he’s killing us i hope he’s ok
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
where'd that hit him?
thought it was the leg.
yeah, the way he’s limping
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like Lincecum was hit on the knee by batted ball
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at least he was walking
hopefully just a bad bruise
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was the back of the thigh
Frogged – really bad bruise.
We’ll see where he got hit sooner or later
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Froemming seems like nice guy
I always thought he was a gruff umpire
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Answer to the question of Wolf coming in relief
while his brother was umpiring home plate
Answer: The umpire keeps umpiring home plate
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought for sure
that I had heard that it wouldn’t be allowed…
But I guess an ex-ump would know better than I
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't start the game that way .
but once the umpire is behind the plate he stays.
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's amazing
if that graphic is right, roy’s thrown exactly 17 pitches per inning in the first 5. crazy
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
consistency... I like it
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UNUSUAL FACTOID
Roy Oswalt has thrown exactly 17 pitches in each of the first five innings!
Believe it or not!
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did the Rangers get Jennings back?
Red Sox scored 10 in the 1st inning against them…(JD and Brownie talking about it)..
Now the Rangers lead…
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
when i saw the swing
thought lance had got one.
foul.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lance endangering teammates
apparently threw the bat and wiggy had to jump.
puma mad
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lefty gets wiggy
on a curve. two guys stranded. we’re still losing 3-2
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Micah Owings one of the PTBNL in Dunn deal
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
really.... I did not expect that.
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know how they can do that.
If it is an intra-league trade (like this), you cannot make a player who is, or was, on the 25 man roster a PTBNL. PTBNL cannot be someone who played in the same league as the team he is sent to.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it wasn't a "real" PTBNL?
not disputing your interpretation of the rule, but maybe it was just the way the deal was announced??? I don’t know.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Phelps makes it look so easy
Gold Medal # 4 – 100m butterfly (I think).
no one even close
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that makes him
the record holder with most gold medals ever
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
200m butterfly not the 100m
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hunter pence gets a PH
nice for him. come back hunter, we need you
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases Juiced for Erstad
after a Loretta walk
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded one out
I like Astros chances here
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Erstad .295 with bases juiced
and he’s 0-2 this season… chances are he gets a hit
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHANCES WERE RIGHT!!!
Erstad singles to left and Loretta(followed by Pence) score bam bam to put the Astros ahead.
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make that Ausmus, not Loretta
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
erstad fought off some good pitches
to earn those RBI
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. YES!
pence is the king of the dual runner score
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
both times it was one of slowest guys on the team
last time loretta
this time ausmus
Q’s next
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as it's the same result
I’m happy :)
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ERSTAD!!!!
Wierd play at the plate….neither player slides, and both players coming into home together.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pence slud into home
then touched again to make sure, but he got it both times
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deja Vu almost
Pence scored about four feet behind Ausmus
Astros lead 4-3
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So is Pence
really good at reading fly balls… or really lucky?
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hate to say it, but probably lucky....but, heck, he must be one hell of a halfback
following the pulling guard.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my thought is lucky
although on that play esp he would have the better read than ausmus prob.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bases juiced again, in the juice box
as Tejada singles
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lance! Lance! Lance! Lance!
I beleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeive!
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3 and 0
Green light?
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GO TO YOUR HOME!!
PUMA BLAST!! 4 runs worth
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no doubter
from the minute he swung
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brownie(I think.. maybe it was JD) says right before the pitch
how brave are you going to be right here… fastball, gone
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PUMA! PUMA! PUMA!
Oh my God!
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw it in the comments before I heard it on the internet radio feed.
You spoilers.
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh.
Could this be another freak last third of a season? This is why we are still Astros fans, God bless us.
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always feel bad
for you guys who listen to the game on the internet or watch gameday when I’m here blogging… I feel like we’ll always ruin it for you…
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8-3 Astros
Oswalt in line for the win.
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blum would've had one too
just didn’t elevate it.
wow he hit it way up off the wall
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What an awesome game.
Lincecum must be throwing up in the clubhouse.
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's prob used to it
w/ this giant team.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Michael Phelps was a country
he’d be second in the Olympic gold medal count behind only China!!!!!
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But his army would be suck.
Just saying.
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would suck.
duh.
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus they would hate their uniforms
if he made them all wear those silly looking swim bodysuits
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he'd be elected preseident
unamimously
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he would not have a trade deficit!
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIGGY!
this time wiggy gets it just over the RF fence.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
although Wynn missed it by
this much.
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like
Wigginton has hit about 5 balls that came || close to being home runs int he last few days…
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wigginton 2 run bomb
Astros putting up a hurtin
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brent mentions Giants still have two more hits.
Lincecum now slashing wrists.
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by Austin Astroholic on Aug 12, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brownie said earlier that Ausmus might turn out to be MVP...
of the game, for knocking Lincecum out of the game.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that myself
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros 10-3
This was very close game.
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could the Astros get above .500 again?
San Fran games are blacked out in Vegas :(
Bourn to Run!
by jsams on Aug 12, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
THe chances of that are VERY GOOD right now :)
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will be 60-59
if they win thisgame and they lead BIG
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers tied 1-1 in the 4th.
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals losing 4-3 in the 6th
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
the Astros just need to take care of their business and see what happens. If nothing else, it makes for some exciting games.
Bourn to Run!
by jsams on Aug 12, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pence plays add on
homer to crawford boxes
he’s got 2 hits tonight
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pence HR
Save some for tomorrow :)
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum must have been very good tonight
based on what the Astros did to every other Giants pitcher out there tonight
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
12-3
Tejada double, scores Loretta from 1st
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
two misplays out there for giants
otherwise, loretta prob doesn’t score
by lnewcomer on Aug 12, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya well
Cooper just PH for Berkman with Abercrombie so…
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coop read my mind
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Single for Abercrombie
Come on
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by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And the Giants pitcher is a Houston boy!
Bad day for him and his family
I’m sure they’ll laugh about it in ten years or so
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros win 12-4
After Byrdak gives up a home run to Rowand.
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on Aug 12, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Final Score: 12-4, Astros.
Byrdak allowed HR in the 9th.
by clack on Aug 12, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ASTROS WIN 12-4
60-59 and moving on up
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 12, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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NL Central Standings
| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
St. Louis
|
91 | 71 | .561 | 0 | Lost 6 |
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Chicago
|
83 | 78 | .515 | 7.5 | Lost 1 |
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Milwaukee
|
80 | 82 | .493 | 11 | Won 3 |
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Cincinnati
|
78 | 84 | .481 | 13 | Won 2 |
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Houston
|
74 | 88 | .456 | 17 | Lost 3 |
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Pittsburgh
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62 | 99 | .385 | 28.5 | Lost 2 |
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