Coop Would Quit if Barry Gets Hired
According to this semi-decently written article -- though I could have done without that man's life story -- by Richard Justice, Coop would be so up in arms about having to deal with Barry Lamar, that he'd quit. Aside from this making me a ardent proponent of hiring Barry, I want to amplify something that Richard Justice hinted at in the article:
WHAT THE HELL HAS COOP DONE THIS YEAR TO WARRANT THAT KIND OF AN ATTITUDE?
He started the year by telling the league many, many times that his guys were going to steal often and always, leading to just a lot of embarrassing and very avoidable CS.
He has demonstrated game in and game out that he does not possess the skill to properly balance starter and bull pen usage.
His inability to construct optimal line-up.
There was the middle of the year tension with Roy, the most frustrating incident being the Rangers game during which Roy was pressured to go back out.
Shawn Chacon.
And we could keep going. Honestly, the man should be happy that he still has a job given how dismally the Astros have performed relative to their expectations. However, these failings on his part are not enough to humble the man into avoiding "line-in the sand" type declarations to his higher-ups. I'd let him go just for that. His job description is managing his players. It's not a personality contest that is conducted on the diamond, it's a baseball game. The team with the best players wins more often than not. So why should the man supposedly in charge of ensuring that these games are won question the hiring of players meant to bolster his chances of properly executing his job -- much less say he'd quit if he were asked to manage a specific player?
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Coop can say those things because he knows 99% of people in baseball don’t like Bonds. He’s merely echoing what is already being said and thought by the great majority of baseball people.
by HighLeveragePerformer on Aug 11, 2008 2:24 PM CDT 0 recs
bye coop
dont let the door hit you in the ass.
I’m ambivalent on coop as far as his performance this year. not advocating he be fired or anything. but to say something like this is kinda dumb.
by lnewcomer on Aug 11, 2008 5:52 PM CDT 0 recs
2 birds, 1 stone
I mean.. does drayton really want to be the one that fires coop..
maybe next season..
by fire richard justice on Aug 11, 2008 6:01 PM CDT 0 recs
Good Point
This could be an easy way out of the “Cooper Era”
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on
Aug 11, 2008 6:12 PM CDT
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No...
And i think Drayton is like Steve Carell’s character “Michael Scott” on the show “The Office” The episode where corporate needs Michael to fire someone, and he can’t do it. Drayton, be a man, fire his @ss! Just like “FirePhilGarner.com” said, “I’m in your dugout, losin’ ur gamez”
A Walk Is As Good As A Hit.
by NocturnalMatt on
Aug 12, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Great Reference
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by DyingQuail on
Aug 12, 2008 7:56 PM CDT
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Footer elaborates on Coop's quote in a mailbag
sounds like he wasn’t really serious
And a side note on Cecil Cooper’s “if he would come, I would go” quote, referring to the possibility of the Astros signing Bonds, that ended up in a wire report. I feel somewhat responsible for that because I started the line of questioning. Here’s what happened: We were in Cooper’s office, talking about Bonds, and Cooper gave the standard “I don’t think we would be interested” line. I said, “If you sign him, you’ll have 75 reporters in the clubhouse at all times and Barry won’t talk to the media, so the other players are going to carry the burden. It’ll be a zoo.” Cooper thought about that, chuckled, and said something along the lines of, “Oh boy, I don’t want to deal with that. Tell you what—if he comes, I go. How about that?”He said it in jest. He wasn’t threatening to quit if Bonds were to come to the Astros. It was an off-the-cuff throwaway quote that meant nothing. Except it meant something to a local wire reporter who doesn’t know Cooper, doesn’t know the team and literally walked into Cooper’s office for no more than seven minutes during his pregame meeting with the media and walked out before it was over.
by lnewcomer on Aug 11, 2008 8:50 PM CDT 0 recs
Richard Justice is such a professional.
We need to can him too.
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by DyingQuail on
Aug 11, 2008 9:14 PM CDT
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yeah, that quote is still causing mini-explosions in the comments section....
of Justice’s blog. Of course, the comments section of Justice’s blog is like the “wild, wild west frontier” of newpaper blogs. In fairness to Justice, Footer isn’t alluding to Justice in the artilcle, above, since she said the reporter was a wire service writer.
by clack on
Aug 11, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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But
She did pointedly say that she and McTaggert left it alone, which I took as a dig at Justice. I think Alyson’s awesome, I’m glad she’s back from vacation.
75% of the Earth's surface is covered by water. . . the other 25% by Michael Bourn
by Danyah on
Aug 12, 2008 5:24 AM CDT
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John Royal of the Houston Press
calls justice on changing his blog post
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/ballz/2008/08/astrosgiants_bad_calls_from_ce.php
by lnewcomer on
Aug 12, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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Bourn would be starting on most teams???
Really???
Also, what’s wrong with Tejada starting most of the time? He’s our best short stop
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on
Aug 12, 2008 7:41 PM CDT
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my eyebrows shot up at that too
Royal is by no means perfect and my theory is that he has a ulcer the size of a grapefruit that leads to a high level of bile in his writing, but I’ve had exactly that complaint about Justice for a long time.
by lnewcomer on
Aug 13, 2008 2:06 AM CDT
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It's one thing to call another writer on something
but don’t say things to make you look stupid in the same article ;)
Go 'Stros!
by Stros Bro on
Aug 13, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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there's a reason
he’s writing for the Houston Press.
i guess he wasn’t paying attention to the fact that it was a left-handed pitcher on the mound, or that Wigginton drove in all three runs we scored.
by littlevisigoth on
Aug 13, 2008 2:13 PM CDT
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What A Maroon
I’m not necessarily Coop’s biggest fan, but I’ll take Wiggy over Erstad every day, and twice during doubleheaders. I let my BP subscription run when I dropped the blog, so I can’t lay any proprietary stats on you, but Wigginton’s lifetime OPS+ is 104, compared to Erstad’s 94.
This season it’s 126 for Ca-Ty-Yo (right?) and 85 for Darin.
I LIKE Erstad and I sure as fuck ain’t one of those FJM types who hates small fast players, but c’mon . . .dude, Wiggy’s like, the better player, having a career year.
And if Caballo can play left at MMP, so can a third baseman. If you figured you needed premier D from 7, you never sign Carlos to the long-term.
Besides, we need Erstad to play center so we can sit Michael Bourn, to whom I have by now given the nickname formerly reserved for the double play: “the pitcher’s best friend.”
The idea that Bourn could be starting for anyone else outside the Texas League is ludicrous.
I’m certainly OK with firing Coop and Wade for aggravated mediocrity or letting ‘em walk because we hire a steroid abuser, whatever, but let’s be fair to Ty, alright? He’s a good player who’s doing what he can to help the team.
John Royal should go back to woman’s volleyball, or whatever it was he had switched away from..
Demote Bourn . . . Before Someone Gets Hurt
by rastronomicals on
Aug 13, 2008 6:35 PM CDT
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agree 100%
miss your insight Rastro. hope you’ll continue to stop by and contribute from time to time.
by littlevisigoth on
Aug 14, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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I feel like as a beat writer
He could have done the due diligence before running with it.
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by DyingQuail on Aug 11, 2008 11:21 PM CDT 0 recs
I don't think Justice feels like he has to do due diligence for his blog...
Kinda sad, I know. But it seems like he feels that the role of his blog is to stir up controversy and passion, without a lot of fact-checking. IMO, that is part of the inherent conflict when you have a newspaper column writer (I don’t think he is the beat writer…leave that to JJO and McTaggert) also writing a blog. The contradiction is that the blog is somehow less of a reporting piece, but how much less?
by clack on
Aug 12, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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contempt for blogs?
it’s like justice treats the blog like something that doesn’t count, and as a result we’re treated to his sad attempts at humor, as well as whatever random crap he pulls out of thin air.
by lnewcomer on
Aug 12, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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It's time to get off the Barry train.
He ain’t comin’.
It doesn’t matter what you think; it doesn’t matter how I feel; it is of no impact what Berkman sees as “cool”; nobody is paying attention to what Cooper might or might not do; Drayton’s opinion is worth zilch. This call, if it’s made at all, will be made by Bud Selig.
And because of that, I say Barry ain’t comin’!
It takes more than pitching to win a pennant, but not much!
by bwhite2323 on Aug 12, 2008 12:11 PM CDT 0 recs
















