Sad State of Baseball
by Stros Bro on Jul 22, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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What is there to be happy about as an Astros fan? Should we be happy that our owners are making trades sending young talent(albeit not exactly a top prospect) to other teams in exchange for a veteran, bottom of the rotation guy that is more than likely going to leave at the end of the season? I don't really understand the trade sending Chad Reineke to the Padres for Randy Wolf. This to me looks like a team making a move just for the sake of making a move. I don't know what to say about the team... obviously I'm not in the greatest moods when it comes to the Astros.
I could see this move if the Astros were still a team that could contend and were in need of a pitcher to help fill out the back side of the rotation... I could see that... but we're not. We're the worst team in our division(tied) and we have NO STARTING PITCHING! You aren't going to win with this type of team and signing Wolf does little to nothing to increase the chances of the Astros making the playoffs. We're the worst team in a division with the 3 best teams in the National League.
Have you ever gotten the feeling that every move your team makes... is the exact opposite of what you would have done? That's kind of where I am right now....
With the 2nd straight loss to the hands of the Pirates, the Astros are now TIED for last place in the NL Central with those Pirates. Tied for last place with the team that hasn't had a winning record since I was 12(1992).
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The worst part of this personally
I’m so bummed about the Astros I’m starting to get unhappy with my actual life.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wolf > Runelvys
or whatever other minor league washout that’s brimming in our system at the moment.
Our pitching might get better with Wolf, but it certainly can’t hurt it more. Especially since Roy’s gone and our ace is a former washout in Moehler and Wandy, who we all love, but we know isn’t the second coming of Cy Young.
The answer isn’t fixed the starting rotation. The answer, I would guess, isn’t fixed in the offense. I think most of our problem lies with the bullpen. Wade and Daddy Drayton blew up our bullpen, because that’s what Wade likes to do, and he replaced it with cheap and bumbling pitchers. Then, what’s worse, he made every pitching position pitcher-by-committee, except for the closer, which puts more stress on them to begin with. If you notice, the top tier teams ALL have set roles for their bullpen. If the bullpen got their shit together, the offense wouldn’t have to press in the first four or five innings to score, the starters wouldn’t press on having to be so fine so they can stay in longer, and we would stop blowing games in the late innings.
by saylinara on Jul 22, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
relievers have been bad lately
but not as bad as 2007
2007 Relievers: 4.62 ERA, 60% SV PCT, 1.47 WHIP
2008 Relievers: 4.26 ERA, 69% SV PCT, 1.40 WHIP
just saying.
by littlevisigoth on Jul 23, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the inning pitched
on the two squads?
by saylinara on Jul 23, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned this in the pitching report card article....
37% of innings are pitched by the bullpen so far in 08; 33% of innings are pitched by the bullpen in 07. While that seems close, in fact, that would be a lot more innings pitched by the bullpen if it holds up for the rest of the year. It may seem hard to believe, after the Villareals have come through here this year, but the bullpen has been substantially better this year. The Astros had 5 relief pitchers with ERAs above 5 last year (not counting 3 starters who had brief relief appearances). Borkowski pitched the 2d most relief innings on the team (71) with an ERA of 5.15. Making Bork spend some time in Round Rock, by itself, probably helps the bullpen this year.
by clack on Jul 23, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benefit of the Doubt...
I too have stopped watching games this season, and will only catch a few here and there unless we make a move toward .500. At least some more exciting, enthusastic ball would be nice, but I totally understand how defeated the offensive stars must feel knowing that our pitching is so weak. And, Coop is a good guy, but this team is not playing with a spring in their step. However, I give Wade credit on this move as he knows Wolf very well, knows that pitching help will be thin and competitive in the off-season, and thinks this move AT WORST gives us a leg up on signing Wolf for next season and beyond. Maybe he helps this season, maybe it’s a good way to try to line up help for next season. Although, I don’t fully understand how much of an edge it gives us to pick him up now in contract negotiations and free agency. The guy has pitched well before his injuries, so I tend to trust Wade on this one.
by DFWTrojan on Jul 22, 2008 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Days of Yore
The Astros used to have the best pitching in the league. Anyone remember 1989?
Juan Agosto
Larry Andersen
Jim Clancy
Danny Darwin
Jim Deshaies
Bob Forsch
Bob Knepper
Mark Portugal
Rick Rhoden
Dan Schatzeder
Mike Scott
Dave Smith
Or go back to 1985 when the rotation was:
Jim Deshaies
Bob Knepper
Joe Niekro
Nolan Ryan
Mike Scott
Looking at our staff now, I could just cry.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Jul 23, 2008 1:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
F***** Ugly
Considering our offence has been useless for a couple of months. The pitching’s held up their side of the deal by being pretty much average (bullpen solid, Moehler and Wandy solid), but the offence has done nothing consistently for ages.
by jonthefon on Jul 23, 2008 1:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are they supposed to say?
“We’re done for the season, so please don’t buy any more tickets?”
But I agree that it’s tough to continue following the team this year. I guess finishing the season at .500 would be a small concession at this point.
Hi, my name is Rich and I'm an Astroholic.
by Austin Astroholic on Jul 23, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the Wolf trade can't put the Astros in the playoffs...
the gap is too great and this team has too many flaws. That said, I’m not upset with the trade for Wolf. I can see some decent reasons for doing it….or not doing it. In other words, I don’t view it as that big a deal. It’s questionable whether the Astros could protect Reineke on the 40 man roster in the upcoming off-season anyway; so he might have been lost anyway. If Wolf helps keep the bullpen from pitching too many innings, it might make the team more watchable as the season progresses.
by clack on Jul 23, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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