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Wednesday, Jun 25, 2008, 7:05 PM CDT
Minute Maid Park

Scott Feldman vs Roy Oswalt

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 7:05 PM CDT
W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2008 - Scott Feldman 1-3 12 10 0 0 0 0 68.1 64 40 35 8 22 34 4.61 1.26
W-LGGSCGSHOSVBSIPHRERHRBBKERAWHIP
2008 - Roy Oswalt 6-7 16 16 0 0 0 0 102.1 119 62 55 17 27 80 4.84 1.43
Oswalt stated in one of his interviews that one of the reasons he didn't do so well earlier in the season was because he felt that he had to pick up the slack for the rest of the pitching staff and win every game... not really sure what I think about that, but as long as he continues to pitch well now... I'm okay with it.  Roy's ERA is down to 4.84 before today's game. 

Lineup

Texas Rangers @ Houston Astros

06/25/08 7:05 PM CDT

Texas RangersHouston Astros
Ian Kinsler - 2B Michael Bourn - CF
Ramon Vazquez - 3B Mark Loretta - 2B
Michael Young - SS Miguel Tejada - SS
David Murphy - RF Lance Berkman - 1B
Marlon Byrd - CF Carlos Lee - LF
Frank Catalanotto - 1B Hunter Pence - RF
Max Ramirez - C Ty Wigginton - 3B
Brandon Boggs - LF Brad Ausmus - C
Scott Feldman - P Roy Oswalt - P

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If he felt that way...

well.. it didn’t work.

Let’s see if he can cut down on the homers.

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:06 PM CDT   0 recs

I can't fault him too much on that ball

even if he was busting his tail, he prob doesn’t get back to that ball before Bourn does. It just looks so bad when he makes that same judgment and breaks it down immediately. At least pretend Carlos.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

man that was fast

2 pitches, 1 run? 3 pitches at the most. wow.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Oswalt

I don’t really have a lot of patience for that comment.

Roy – You’re the friggin ace, fer crissake. You are supposed to pick up the slack for the rest of the staff, and you are supposed to win every game. If you don’t win, then suck it up and fix what went wrong so you win the next game. You’re not paid the most of all the Astros pitchers in order to be “just one of the guys.”

We expect that of Moehler, but we expect more of you. And guess who has the lower ERA from his starts.

Now quit crying in your beer and go earn your pay.

by pel on Jun 25, 2008 7:11 PM CDT   0 recs

cleaned up the rest of the inning quietly

Kinsler is just hot right now. and if the ball doesn’t bounce off the wall like that, there’s a decent chance that run is stranded at 3b.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Ben Sheets is opting for free agency next year.

Read that in Justice’s blog, which he got from a newspaper website.

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:14 PM CDT   0 recs

he's same age as oswalt right?

they were on the olympic team together I think.

So are we going to give him 5 yrs/$90M or more? For a guy with a significant injury history. He and Carlos Lee can break down together.

Plus, what does Oswalt think if you pay Sheets more per year than he’s getting?

I’m not in favor of it.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But none of the injuries are chronic

I’m not sure he will get offered that much, but the price is what it is. I think it would be a good buy. We need to spend money on free agent pitchers to shore up the poor pitching staff until we can get some young guys through the system in a few years. We all know our big trade bait doesn’t want to go anywhere and Drayton doesn’t want to rebuild. Seems like it would be easier to convince him to buy some pitching.

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

true - there isn't one chronic injury

but I would make the argument that some guys are more injury prone (see JD Drew) and while they may have the occasional injury free season, you’re making a pretty big bet on that.

I think he will get significant money, esp. w/ the relatively poor free agent pitching crop.

I would agree that we should do it IF, McLane is willing to raise the payroll to accommodate the extra money, not shoehorn it into the current budget. Berkman, Oswalt, Lee and Matsui are all locked in. In a couple years, Pence and Bourn are going to be arb. eligible. Also Wandy and Backe.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bourn on with an infield hit.

Let’s see if he gets caught stealing. :p

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:14 PM CDT   0 recs

get a bit of luck our way

on Bourn’s little nubber.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:14 PM CDT   0 recs

How long will Tejada bat third?

Time for another shake up?

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:19 PM CDT   0 recs

He could use a move to 5th for the time being

Berkman back to 3rd, Carlos to 4th w/ his recent spurt.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They just mentioned that

The Astros suspended Chacon…

I guess we won’t see him pitching in Houston any more

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jun 25, 2008 7:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Whoa.

Watching the Rangers feed here. No mention of it.

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hurts any trade value he might have had

not sure how much. if the yankees are willing to give Ponson a shot, Chacon must seem like a solid citizen.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder

If Coop’s advice for players to speak their minds was bad advice.

by pel on Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Shawn Chacon Suspened Indefinitely??

Anybody have inside information on this?

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Well

I wonder if that fight was because of or the cause of his suspension.

by pel on Jun 25, 2008 7:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Point

Also unclear in the article is whether there was a fight or just near fight; and if it was with another player or witha manager, coah or other club official.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 25, 2008 7:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am guessing it is the cause...

because JD and Brownie said that Cooper was telling the press just before the game that he expected Chacon to be an important part of shoring up the late inning relief. Surely Wade would tell Coop before he suspends a player, and if they had made the decision earlier in the afternoon, I can’t imagine that Cooper would tell the press that.

by clack on Jun 25, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but..

if it was with another player, would they not suspend him too? or maybe chacon was the instigator of the fight etc… very bizarre… i don’t remember the last time i heard about a clubhouse fight in houston… anyone else?

by exit53 on Jun 25, 2008 7:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the one that sticks in my mind

is that catcher w/ the wonky shoulders (Melusky?) punching Biggio or someone around the batting cage in BP before a game.

there could have been others more recently, but I can’t think of them now. that was at least 4 or 5 years ago.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh yeah

totally blanked on that one.. meluskey.. what an idiot

by exit53 on Jun 25, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

melusky didn't attack Biggio, but rather a reserve outfielder

on the team (can’t recall name right off hand). Melusky was late for batting practice and the outfielder had taken his place in the cage, and Melusky insisted that starters should be able to break in line in front of reserves.

by clack on Jun 25, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

from astroland.net

A season already gone bad took an even darker turn for Houston on Sunday when rookie catcher Mitch Meluskey punched teammate Matt Mieske in the eye during batting practice prior to a 4-1 loss to San Diego. Mieske was cut over his left eye. According to witnesses, Meluskey was late for his turn in the batting cage and jumped in ahead of Mieske. The two exchanged words, and Meluskey hit Mieske when the two were outside the cage. Several veterans were upset with the fight and were not afraid to voice their opinions. “To me, it has everything to do with respect,” Craig Biggio said. “You know, some people have it and some people don’t. I’m going to leave it at that. There’s no way in the world something like that should happen.” “This is the time when we have to stick together as a family,” said starter Jose Lima, “I don’t appreciate something like this happening.”

by exit53 on Jun 25, 2008 7:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Astros Daily says it was Matt Mieske

http://www.astrosdaily.com/column/10012131204z14lauck.html

I thought Biggio was involved, but I may have been conflating his later railroading Meluskey out of town.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not sure where this source was from originally

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_25_225/ai_75819579/pg_2

There are a lot of stories about Biggio and Mitch Meluskey. Here are two:

Meluskey jumps in front of Biggio, Bagwell and other veterans waiting their turn in the batting cage—just one of an unforgiveable series of gaffes by the rookie catcher. As a result, his first season in the big leagues, 1999, is even more of a hazing hell than most rookies endure, and some of it is not all in good fun.

Second story:

Meluskey drives in his first run as a major leaguer, the winning RBI in a game against the Cubs during the first week of the season. Local reporters gather by his locker, but Meluskey is nowhere to be found. Biggio walks past, figures out what’s happening and says to the knot of reporters, “Wait here.”

A moment later, he physically drags Meluskey out of the players’ lounge, pushes him toward the media, then walks away, shaking his head.

“I don’t know what that guy is thinking sometimes,” Biggio says.

Meluskey and Biggio never reconcile. After the 2000 season, Meluskey is traded to Detroit. Is it a stretch to connect point A to point B?

Maybe. The deal was made in part because Houston needed a veteran catcher to help fix a pitching staff that went deep south last year, and the Astros got one of the best, Brad Ausmus, in return. But the point remains that any Astro crosses Biggio at his own risk. On a team as big on chemistry as the Astros are, acceptance is important. And unless you play the game the way Biggio plays it, acceptance isn’t automatic.

To the dismay, sometimes, of the front office, Biggio can be less than helpful to young players who think they already have it made.

Biggio: “I’ve never had anything to do with running anybody out of here. That’s just false. I wish I had that pull. But come on, that’s kind of ridiculous. Management of an organization is going to do what it wants to do. I’ve never really known an organization to let a player run a club. That’s totally false. There’s no accuracy at all.”

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe it's like that time

Wheeler got pissed off Sampson last year after Wheeler blew a game… or something to that effect, but on a higher level. Who knows?

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

might depend on whom the player is...

or, if it were a coach….then the player likely the only one who gets suspended. The Chronicle indicates that it is unknown if players or coaches were involved.

by clack on Jun 25, 2008 7:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How interesting!

with Dewey Robinson, maybe? :O

by mokulen on Jun 25, 2008 7:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Berkman strikes out.

Loses his bat and Bourn and Tejada pull a double steal.

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:25 PM CDT   0 recs

berkman doesn't do that a lot (lose his bat)

but he seems to have a greater propensity for it than most players.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that was wild

Berkman K’s swinging and the bat goes into the stands. At the same time we pull a double steal, successfully.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:25 PM CDT   0 recs

another bad play on the bases

followed by Roy getting a single.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Orioles let Matt Albers start a game. (against the Cubs)

Didn’t work out too well.
He struck out one guy. Then the cubs doubled and singled twice and then a walk. Then Albers left with an injury. The relieving pitcher allowed all of Albers’ runs to score. 4 earned runs. 1 out.

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:46 PM CDT   0 recs

WOW!

Bourn got a hold of one for a long HR to RF. 2 runs HR.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:46 PM CDT   0 recs

I've always liked that

Oswalt-Bourn combination at the plate

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM CDT   0 recs

rofl

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice AB for Loretta

helped by the botched foul pop by the Rangers d

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jun 25, 2008 7:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ended in a pop out..

but it was about 14 pitches

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jun 25, 2008 7:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rangers been watching the Astros play outfield

drop a popup between three of them

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:49 PM CDT   0 recs

500 pitch at-bat for Loretta

way to build that pitch count w/ 2 outs mark.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Chacon is coming off as whiney now

It’s not like he didn’t get a chance…

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jun 25, 2008 7:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'd be fine w/ that

if it wasn’t Ed Wade that was going to trade him. If he stays we should get draft picks. Of course ed also picks the draft picks too, so pick your poison.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 7:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

media meeting

it says wade is meeting with the media during the game. wonder if we’ll get an update.

by exit53 on Jun 25, 2008 7:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

we better not just DFA him

he hasn’t pitched great, but he’s worth something.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 8:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If he's being a menace

then DFA’ing him would be exactly what he wants… so I wouldn’t imagine Wade doing that :)

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jun 25, 2008 8:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, it seems a pretty blatant ploy

pitch a fit to get released and go somewhere else to start. Wade and McLane need to stand firm.

at a certain point he can cause so much trouble as to damage the team’s play, but 1) we’re not that good a team so how much worse could he make it, and 2) if he is too big a jackass it becomes a league-vs-union thing.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wade says..

Ed Wade said that Shawn Chacon was suspended for “insubordination to the club.” He also said that Chacon’s agent had requested a trade a couple days before today’s outburst.

by exit53 on Jun 25, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not to pick on loretta too much

but I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone use the word “entrepreneurialism” before. (during the in game interview about what he’d be doing if not playing baseball).

there’s a reason these guys are ballplayers.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT   0 recs

probably

he said he would likely be in investment banking or something

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Puma gets a pop fly double off the Crawford boxes

we’ve had a lot of baserunners so far. Feldman is over 70 pitches.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT   0 recs

Berkman doubles

If anyone cares. :p

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT   0 recs

thought carlos's ball up the middle was going thru

Kinsler was placed well and made a nice pickup on the backhand side.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 8:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Pence grounds out.

Again….............. :/

by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 8:09 PM CDT   0 recs

looked like he tried to pull that pitch

on the outside corner. hardly ever works out well.

by lnewcomer on Jun 25, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs