Texas Rangers at Houston Astros, 7:05 PM CDT
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Oswalt stated in one of his interviews that one of the reasons he didn't do so well earlier in the season was because he felt that he had to pick up the slack for the rest of the pitching staff and win every game... not really sure what I think about that, but as long as he continues to pitch well now... I'm okay with it. Roy's ERA is down to 4.84 before today's game.
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I can't fault him too much on that ball
even if he was busting his tail, he prob doesn’t get back to that ball before Bourn does. It just looks so bad when he makes that same judgment and breaks it down immediately. At least pretend Carlos.
Oswalt
I don’t really have a lot of patience for that comment.
Roy – You’re the friggin ace, fer crissake. You are supposed to pick up the slack for the rest of the staff, and you are supposed to win every game. If you don’t win, then suck it up and fix what went wrong so you win the next game. You’re not paid the most of all the Astros pitchers in order to be “just one of the guys.”
We expect that of Moehler, but we expect more of you. And guess who has the lower ERA from his starts.
Now quit crying in your beer and go earn your pay.
cleaned up the rest of the inning quietly
Kinsler is just hot right now. and if the ball doesn’t bounce off the wall like that, there’s a decent chance that run is stranded at 3b.
Ben Sheets is opting for free agency next year.
Read that in Justice’s blog, which he got from a newspaper website.
he's same age as oswalt right?
they were on the olympic team together I think.
So are we going to give him 5 yrs/$90M or more? For a guy with a significant injury history. He and Carlos Lee can break down together.
Plus, what does Oswalt think if you pay Sheets more per year than he’s getting?
I’m not in favor of it.
But none of the injuries are chronic
I’m not sure he will get offered that much, but the price is what it is. I think it would be a good buy. We need to spend money on free agent pitchers to shore up the poor pitching staff until we can get some young guys through the system in a few years. We all know our big trade bait doesn’t want to go anywhere and Drayton doesn’t want to rebuild. Seems like it would be easier to convince him to buy some pitching.
by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
true - there isn't one chronic injury
but I would make the argument that some guys are more injury prone (see JD Drew) and while they may have the occasional injury free season, you’re making a pretty big bet on that.
I think he will get significant money, esp. w/ the relatively poor free agent pitching crop.
I would agree that we should do it IF, McLane is willing to raise the payroll to accommodate the extra money, not shoehorn it into the current budget. Berkman, Oswalt, Lee and Matsui are all locked in. In a couple years, Pence and Bourn are going to be arb. eligible. Also Wandy and Backe.
He could use a move to 5th for the time being
Berkman back to 3rd, Carlos to 4th w/ his recent spurt.
They just mentioned that
The Astros suspended Chacon…
I guess we won’t see him pitching in Houston any more
Go 'Stros!
Whoa.
Watching the Rangers feed here. No mention of it.
by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
hurts any trade value he might have had
not sure how much. if the yankees are willing to give Ponson a shot, Chacon must seem like a solid citizen.
Shawn Chacon Suspened Indefinitely??
Anybody have inside information on this?
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 25, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
on the team, by the way
from the way it reads.
by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Point
Also unclear in the article is whether there was a fight or just near fight; and if it was with another player or witha manager, coah or other club official.
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by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 25, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I am guessing it is the cause...
because JD and Brownie said that Cooper was telling the press just before the game that he expected Chacon to be an important part of shoring up the late inning relief. Surely Wade would tell Coop before he suspends a player, and if they had made the decision earlier in the afternoon, I can’t imagine that Cooper would tell the press that.
but..
if it was with another player, would they not suspend him too? or maybe chacon was the instigator of the fight etc… very bizarre… i don’t remember the last time i heard about a clubhouse fight in houston… anyone else?
the one that sticks in my mind
is that catcher w/ the wonky shoulders (Melusky?) punching Biggio or someone around the batting cage in BP before a game.
there could have been others more recently, but I can’t think of them now. that was at least 4 or 5 years ago.
melusky didn't attack Biggio, but rather a reserve outfielder
on the team (can’t recall name right off hand). Melusky was late for batting practice and the outfielder had taken his place in the cage, and Melusky insisted that starters should be able to break in line in front of reserves.
from astroland.net
A season already gone bad took an even darker turn for Houston on Sunday when rookie catcher Mitch Meluskey punched teammate Matt Mieske in the eye during batting practice prior to a 4-1 loss to San Diego. Mieske was cut over his left eye. According to witnesses, Meluskey was late for his turn in the batting cage and jumped in ahead of Mieske. The two exchanged words, and Meluskey hit Mieske when the two were outside the cage. Several veterans were upset with the fight and were not afraid to voice their opinions. “To me, it has everything to do with respect,” Craig Biggio said. “You know, some people have it and some people don’t. I’m going to leave it at that. There’s no way in the world something like that should happen.” “This is the time when we have to stick together as a family,” said starter Jose Lima, “I don’t appreciate something like this happening.”
Astros Daily says it was Matt Mieske
http://www.astrosdaily.com/column/10012131204z14lauck.html
I thought Biggio was involved, but I may have been conflating his later railroading Meluskey out of town.
not sure where this source was from originally
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_25_225/ai_75819579/pg_2
There are a lot of stories about Biggio and Mitch Meluskey. Here are two:
Meluskey jumps in front of Biggio, Bagwell and other veterans waiting their turn in the batting cage—just one of an unforgiveable series of gaffes by the rookie catcher. As a result, his first season in the big leagues, 1999, is even more of a hazing hell than most rookies endure, and some of it is not all in good fun.
Second story:Meluskey drives in his first run as a major leaguer, the winning RBI in a game against the Cubs during the first week of the season. Local reporters gather by his locker, but Meluskey is nowhere to be found. Biggio walks past, figures out what’s happening and says to the knot of reporters, “Wait here.”
A moment later, he physically drags Meluskey out of the players’ lounge, pushes him toward the media, then walks away, shaking his head.
“I don’t know what that guy is thinking sometimes,” Biggio says.
Meluskey and Biggio never reconcile. After the 2000 season, Meluskey is traded to Detroit. Is it a stretch to connect point A to point B?
Maybe. The deal was made in part because Houston needed a veteran catcher to help fix a pitching staff that went deep south last year, and the Astros got one of the best, Brad Ausmus, in return. But the point remains that any Astro crosses Biggio at his own risk. On a team as big on chemistry as the Astros are, acceptance is important. And unless you play the game the way Biggio plays it, acceptance isn’t automatic.
To the dismay, sometimes, of the front office, Biggio can be less than helpful to young players who think they already have it made.Biggio: “I’ve never had anything to do with running anybody out of here. That’s just false. I wish I had that pull. But come on, that’s kind of ridiculous. Management of an organization is going to do what it wants to do. I’ve never really known an organization to let a player run a club. That’s totally false. There’s no accuracy at all.”
Maybe it's like that time
Wheeler got pissed off Sampson last year after Wheeler blew a game… or something to that effect, but on a higher level. Who knows?
by entropic soul on Jun 25, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
might depend on whom the player is...
or, if it were a coach….then the player likely the only one who gets suspended. The Chronicle indicates that it is unknown if players or coaches were involved.
How interesting!
with Dewey Robinson, maybe? :O
berkman doesn't do that a lot (lose his bat)
but he seems to have a greater propensity for it than most players.
that was wild
Berkman K’s swinging and the bat goes into the stands. At the same time we pull a double steal, successfully.
Orioles let Matt Albers start a game. (against the Cubs)
Didn’t work out too well.
He struck out one guy. Then the cubs doubled and singled twice and then a walk. Then Albers left with an injury. The relieving pitcher allowed all of Albers’ runs to score. 4 earned runs. 1 out.
I've always liked that
Oswalt-Bourn combination at the plate
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 25, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
i'd be fine w/ that
if it wasn’t Ed Wade that was going to trade him. If he stays we should get draft picks. Of course ed also picks the draft picks too, so pick your poison.
media meeting
it says wade is meeting with the media during the game. wonder if we’ll get an update.
i've been refreshing the Unofficial Scorer's blog
http://blogs.chron.com/unofficialscorer/
he said he was going to try to talk to Wade during the game.
If he's being a menace
then DFA’ing him would be exactly what he wants… so I wouldn’t imagine Wade doing that :)
Go 'Stros!
yeah, it seems a pretty blatant ploy
pitch a fit to get released and go somewhere else to start. Wade and McLane need to stand firm.
at a certain point he can cause so much trouble as to damage the team’s play, but 1) we’re not that good a team so how much worse could he make it, and 2) if he is too big a jackass it becomes a league-vs-union thing.
wade says..
Ed Wade said that Shawn Chacon was suspended for “insubordination to the club.” He also said that Chacon’s agent had requested a trade a couple days before today’s outburst.
not to pick on loretta too much
but I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone use the word “entrepreneurialism” before. (during the in game interview about what he’d be doing if not playing baseball).
there’s a reason these guys are ballplayers.
Isn't he a Northwestern University finance grad or something...
unless I’m thinking of someone else.
Puma gets a pop fly double off the Crawford boxes
we’ve had a lot of baserunners so far. Feldman is over 70 pitches.
thought carlos's ball up the middle was going thru
Kinsler was placed well and made a nice pickup on the backhand side.
Chacon Suspended for Insubordination
http://blogs.chron.com/unofficialscorer/2008/06/chacon_suspended_for_insubordi.html#comments
“Ed Wade said that Shawn Chacon was suspended for “insubordination to the club.” He also said that Chacon’s agent had requested a trade a couple days before today’s outburst.”
holy crap!
max ramirez hit it way up off the facade in right center for a 2 run HR. damn, doing so well after 2 outs.
Enos Cabell - one of the least irritating in-booth guests I've ever heard
I remember when he used to own a car dealership by my house when I was a kid.
home run bug bites Roy that inning. can’t remember the exact number, but he’s gotta be really close to passing his previous season high already.
Holy Shit
From Levine
In a few minutes, Chronicle Astros beat writer Jose de Jesus Ortiz will have details of a physical confrontation between Shawn Chacon and Ed Wade that led to Chacon’s suspension.
Damn...
Since when did Chacon start channeling Milton Bradley?
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Ed Wade?!
I thought the pitching coach – but this is even better!
you can tell all you need to know about chacon's character
from the fact that he wears the brim of his hat flat. that never works out well.
He should be on pace to have one of his best years at the plate, no?
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He was batting .194 before the game
which is higher than his best year’s average.. so I guess we could say yes :)
Go 'Stros!
It seems like he's been getting his fair share of bloops and seeing eye singles this year
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ouch
Oswalt’s BA now better than both Bourn’s and Ausmus’s
http://blogs.chron.com/unofficialscorer/2008/06/hits_keep_coming_for_oswalt_fe.html
maybe that's the deal this year
he decided he had accomplished all he needed to on the mound, so he focused on his offense over the offseason.
Current chron.com article:
A little over an hour after he was involved in a heated confrontion in the Astros’ clubhouse, righthander Shawn Chacon was suspended indefinitely by the Astros.As the Astros were closing their clubhouse to prepare for their game against the Texas Rangers tonight, Chacon, who recently lost his spot in the rotation, exploded and players had to step in to calm the situation, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
Not a fight, like originally reported, but apparently very heated argument.
"exploded and players had to step in"
is vague enough to describe anything, up to and including a fight. one of the chron blogs has described it as a physical confrontation, which is ambiguous as well, w/ more details supposedly to follow.
Ortiz's blog doesn't add much to the above....
other than a vague statement that Chacon had made clear his displeasure with coaches. The write ups since Levine’s earlier reference to a confrontation with Wade don’t mention whom Chacon had the confrontation with. Even Levine’s most recent blurb is vague on that point. So, I wonder if it really was a confrontation between Wade and Chacon.
on Lee's K
it looked like a foul tip, but I think the catcher caught it. I don’t think Lee agrees. hard to tell on replay.
although on the replay from the side angle, in dvr assisted slow-mo
says that it did short hop the catcher.
oooh, there was some dust that kicked up
that might have hit dirt before the catcher’s mitt, but it was really close.
O's Bros
Are a pretty cool bunch of guys… a few years ago I met up with some of them and played softball. Was a good time :)
Go 'Stros!
Coop, you can't protest a call
after taking a slow, leisurely walk out to the 1B ump
I thought he was out, even though the way Cat came off it looked like he pulled his foot off.
Puma is taller
so he takes it away from Bradley.
Do we have the worst communication on pop flies of any team?
it was pretty funny though.
Exciting grounder to 2b
Lance started for it, got caught in no-man’s land. Loretta fields and throws to Oswalt covering first. Puma dives to the ground like someone threw a grenade to get out of the way of the throw.
we make things exciting.
Ed Wade v. Chacon
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5856597.html
"He started yelling and cussing,” Chacon said of Wade. “I’m sitting there and I said to him very calmly, ‘Ed, you need to stop yelling me. Then I stood up and said ‘you better stop yelling at me.’ I stood up. He continued and was basically yelling and stuff and was like, ‘You need to (expletive) look in the mirror.’ So at that point I lost my cool and I grabbed him by the neck and threw him to the ground. I jumped on top of him because at that point I wanted to beat his (butt). Words were exchanged."
story definitely from chacon's perspective
guess ed wade still wasn’t commenting.
ed wade doesn’t come off looking very good, but chacon blew it as well.
he'll play somewhere
sprewell came back. albert belle, the kid who threw the bat at the ump in the minors. if he can pitch (a big question) someone will pay him. I just hope we get something for him.
chacon indicates he may not want to play against...
his second thoughts about the confrontation in that latter part of the article make me wonder about his mental stability.
Was he known as a headcase
or malcontent before he came here?
if you believe Richard Justice
he had problems in colorado and somewhere else before. I’ll find the blog post.
here's the earlier post
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2008/06/shawn_chacon_sh.html
and he has one up about today’s events as well. nothing new, just more of Justice talking about himself.
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2008/06/im_sure_glad_sh.html
grrrr. Pence lines out to 1st
Abercrombie doubled off 2nd base for the second night in a row. no excuses.
this Ramirez guy
is getting good swings on us all night. v. low confidence w/ him against Sampson right now.
cj wilson has struggled in the last week
blew a couple saves I believe. but this is the astros. 1-2-3 inning coming up.
Good start to the ninth!
Wigginton double
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 25, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
used Abercrombie for carlos Lee
Quintero still on the bench, Blum just PH. I think Newhan is probably the only option. He could theoretically play 2B and Loretta could go to 3B. Don’t know how much faster he would be.
Damn it
I don’t have a cap to turn inside out… quick give me a rally idea
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I'm trying to rally us to a win
Not get fired : )
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bourn draws a walk
I was going to say rare walk, but I think he’s doing better than that. maybe it’s an occasional walk.
JD notices as well
As the ball is rolling towards the 3rd baseman, Wigginton delays and hops over the bal… 3rd basemen boots it
Go 'Stros!
and then ump gives wilson a high strike on the next pitch
0-2 to tejada.
strike zone it 2 miles wide
Tejada was pathetic
Swinging at everything :(
Bourn tried to Copy Wigginton’s success and delay in front of the ball to no avail.
Go 'Stros!
Too jacked up with the moment...
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What happend to all that late game come back stuff this team was feeding on?
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correction, 0-12 w/ RISP
we were actually hitting the ball when that stuff was going on. miggy has been terrible this month. he needs a day off or to be dropped down in the lineup.
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