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Should a pitcher's RBI count towards a win decision?

I was just wondering. Obviously there's not going to be a whole new system set up. I was just wondering what problems would that bring. Who would it benefit and who'd get shafted.

If a starting pitcher goes 5+ innings but leaves with a tie... but had at least 1 RBI then without his production at the plate he would have a loss... so then you'd think he's earned a win.

But if after he leaves, the other team add's more than the RBI he contributed... then .. well at the end, if the pitcher's RBI make the difference in the score, then it would be nice if that pitcher got the win.

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I don't like the idea.

The pitching, fielding, and hitting stats are kept separate, and the W/L record is a pitching stat. I would keep it that way. The closest call I can see in that separation is when the pitcher makes an error. The error doesn’t count as a pitching stat, so it doesn’t affect the ERA. I can see an argument that a pitcher’s fielding errors should affect the ERA…but that’s another story.

One problem I see with your idea is that a pitcher could pitch very poorly but get the win because he had an RBI and the team later came back to tie and win the game, but with no thanks to the pitcher’s pitching. If hits can produces wins, why wouldn’t position player hitters be credited with wins? And why take the win away from a relief pitcher who may have pitched better than the starter and is more deserving of the win? Really, I think W/L records for pitchers aren’t all that useful because it is kind of arbitrary to begin with….so I’m not that keen on making it more than it is.

by clack on May 8, 2008 10:40 AM CDT   0 recs

agreed

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on May 8, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who'd benefit? Who'd get shafted?

Benefit: NL pitchers
Shafted: AL pitchers.

by AstroAndy on May 8, 2008 10:40 AM CDT   0 recs

Got to work for both leagues

A win has always been a little hard to categorize anyway. Ask any Astros pitcher who has had an ERA around 3 and been 3-6 at some point. Valverde leads the Astros in wins this year so it is pretty screwed up.
Putting an offensive stat into a pitching category is just too screwy. I don’t want to make the official scorer have to think about anything else. Deciding on an E or hit is bad enough.

It's the next generation of Astros. Let's see if they can play like the men they are replacing.

by TBurford on May 8, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually...

it would really only benefit NL starters who can hit. Think Owings.

Sure, every once in a while it would help other NL starters (like Roy last night) but some starting pitcher with an ERA around 4.5 could have 2 RBIs a game and, according to what you just proposed, it’d be like having a pitcher with a 2.5 ERA.

Yes, I am a nerd.

by TexSkins on May 8, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What I don’t like about your idea is that it assumes that the pitcher is not going to contribute anything before hand. Granted, we know that most pitchers are going to make an out 80-90% of the time before they step to the plate. However the reason that I like the NL in the first place is that the pitchers need to bat, they are expected to play the complete game. This is baseball and anything can happen.

I also don’t like the idea that a pitcher can get a win when the team loses. Yes it stinks when your pticher loses a win because of a crappy bulpen outing, but that is baseball. You have stats like “Quality Starts” that help you look at things like this.

by paboperfecto on May 12, 2008 2:18 PM CDT   0 recs

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