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Okay, I criticized Cooper below and really didn't give any suggestions on what should be done... so Here it goes.

If you want to shake up a lineup, you don't screw around with the only part of the lineup producing as expected...  Bourn has been a terrible lead off hitter this year with an OBP of .310.  Move Towles to lead off.  He has some pop, and so far this season is sporting a .395 OBP.  Right now he's hitting a little like some guy named Biggio used to do... I seem to remember Biggio being a pretty decent lead off hitter.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Towles is the next Biggio by any means... but so far he's producing like a decent lead off hitter.  Move Bourn back to 8th in the lineup.

I can't really say much about Matsui.. he's a career .325 OBP guy which doesn't suit me as a lead off hitter... he can stay at 2nd for now and see how he turns out.  Lance, Lee and Tejada should stay where they are.  Lee hasn't been outstanding this season(low OBP), but he'll come around.  Pence has been terrible this year, but has shown some life by batting 6th... stick him there for now.  Your 7th hitter is trash regardless who it is for now... Loretta/Blum, neither are doing anything of worth... but we don't have much else until Wigginton gets back.  Slot that guy 7th for now.  So here is my lineup if I'm going to be making changes.

  1. Towles
  2. Matsui
  3. Berkman
  4. Lee
  5. Tejada
  6. Pence
  7. Loretta
  8. Bourn
  9. Pitcher
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A - Doing A Good Job
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B - Doing An Average Job
26 votes
C - Needs Some Improvement
53 votes
D - On The Verge Of Being Fired
7 votes
F - Don't Let The Door Hit You On The Way Out
2 votes

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Towles strikes me...

as a possible no. 2 hitter, but I can’t buy him as a no. 1 hitter. His current OBP is bound to be influenced by the fact that the pitcher bats after him. So I don’t see him as a better OBP bet than Bourn in the No. 1 spot.

JD and Brownie say that Berkman was moved down in the lineup because he has been the most dependable hitter and they want more batters in front of him so that he can bat with more runners on base. Do I buy that logic? No.

by clack on Apr 19, 2008 8:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Towles

If he bats 1st and his OBP goes down.. so be it… he’ll still be better than .310 and you can always move him back… Bourn is a terrible lead off hitter so far this season.

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Apr 19, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're going on a small

sample size to guess that Towles will have a higher OBP than Bourn. Going into tonight’s game, both had a bad batting average, but Bourn’s was higher…and Bourn had one more walk. The OBP advantage for Towles is due to the fact he has fewer plate appearances. I wouldn’t bet on Towles showing a better OBP in the lead spot than Bourn.

I think Cooper is going the wrong direction on the Berkman battting spot. I might try Matsui or Bourn as no. 1 and Berkman no. 2 in the batting order. Tejada as no. 3 and Lee as no. 4. Moving Tejada and Lee up in the batting order is problematic, however, because they both ground into a LOT of DPs. Because Tejada is faster, maybe I would put him above Lee.

by clack on Apr 19, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All we have is a small sample size

Not much else to go on… Lance is the best hitter on the team… hands down with no exceptions. He should be #3 every day he’s in the lineup.

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Apr 19, 2008 10:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Even with...

the low OBP, I like keeping Bourn at the leadoff. Being 11/11 in SB so far makes it a lot easier for the later hitters to drive in a run when he does get on base.

by BTastros on Apr 20, 2008 12:03 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree with this

I like Bourn’s approach at the plate. He’s walking a fair amount(tied for 1st on the team in walks), seeing a fair number of pitches/plate attempt, and he’s doing a fine job of getting into scoring position via the steal. Once he brings his BA up a little, he’ll be fine.

by MG(vers. 2) on Apr 20, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm shocked that I agree...

with the HC’s Richard Justice on a batting order for the Astros. From Justice’s blog:

I’m offering Cecil Cooper this advice for free. I know I shouldn’t do it, especially since he’s not going to listen anyway. If he’s going to change his lineup, he ought to try making it better. He’s not. He’s just changing for the sake of change.

Here’s how he should line ‘em up…

Kaz Matsui, 2b
Lance Berkman, 1b
Miguel Tejada, ss
Carlos Lee, lf
Hunter Pence, rf
Geoff Blum, 3b
J.R. Towles, c
Pitcher
Michael Bourn,

cf

In responding to a commenter on his blog, Justice said:
“I’m trying to show I’m not too old to learn. Every manager ought to be required to read The Book. A couple of weeks ago, I asked Cecil Cooper if he had any idea why some managers hit the pitcher eighth. ’’Don’t care,’’ he snapped. That was also the day I asked why he had Mark Lorretta bunt. He had a decent reason, but I don’t think he liked being asked for an explanation. I guess he ain’t into book learning.—Richard”

Background on his reference to “The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball”: One of the co-authors of the book, mgl, commented on one of Justice’s blog entries and Justice made several snappy insults, which led to some discussion in the baseball blogging community. Justice later interviewed mgl on his radio show, and now apparently pays more attention to his book.

by clack on Apr 20, 2008 9:24 AM CDT   0 recs

I don't like batting the pitcher 8th

I like getting my worst batter,the least amount of at bats in a game. I don’t like Matsui 1st because his OBP isn’t high enough… I think a minimum requirement for a leadoff hitter would be .350 before I’d even think about them hitting 1st… and that’s a bare minimum… A good leadoff hitter would get on base somewhere closer to .400.

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Apr 20, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only Astro who may qualify

as a good lead off man under your definition is Berkman. I favor batting the pitcher 8th, even if the positive effect isn’t huge. Towles probably should not be batting as low as he has in the batting order, though.

by clack on Apr 20, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

that the only person who fits my mold as a lead off hitter is Lance… which means we have no decent lead off hitter.

As you have said, Towle’s in creased OBP is probably because he’s batting in front of the pitcher and I realize that… but he had a high OBP in his stint last season as well… so I’d like to see what he can do when not batting in front of the pitcher.

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Apr 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Talking about changing...

the batting order makes for interesting discussion. But, in the context of the Astros, it feels like re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. No amount of batting order change will do much good so long as Lee, Pence, and whomever plays 3d base (Loretta, Blum or Wiggy) are this unproductive on offense. It’s not as obvious, but Lee is having a disappointing season so far on offense. He isn’t coming through in the clutch.

by clack on Apr 20, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

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