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Rich Waltz on Brandon Backe

During last night's game, the Marlins' announcer Rich Waltz told a story about Brandon Backe that I'd never heard before, that in a high school playoff game vs. Spring, Backe threw 213 pitches.

Waltz then cracked that that was probably why Backe entered pro ball as an infielder, and then his partner Tommy Hutton laughed  that it was probably why Backe had Tommy John surgery.   . . . he was joking, but he was also probably right.

Had anyone ever heard this story before?  I never knew that Backe was a pitcher in high school, or that his school in Galveston had been so successful. 

And this almost goes without saying, but I think that any high school coach who has his star pitcher throw 200 pitches should be taken out back and shot . . . .

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I hadn't heard the story before

but I've heard way too many stories of high school(and even college to a lesser extent) coaches completely abusing their pitchers.

Here is an article that might be at least a little interesting to anyone about this topic.

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You'll recognize at least one doctors name in here...

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Apr 13, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the Link

House is a pretty sharp character . . . but you don't need to be sharp to state the obvious.

I've also heard of some leagues for the very young where throwing the curve is not allowed, and that also seems like a good idea. If Backe didn't throw his first curve as a goof before some Devil Ray minor league game at the age of 19, when DID he start throwing the curve? I wonder.

We all remember the famous Will Carroll column where he predicted Tommy John for Backe because Brandon was a converted infielder, but while Carroll correctly predicted the result, he may have had the wrong reason. . . . .

I'll end up liking Tejada. . . . just give me some time

by rastronomicals on Apr 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was talking about...

Dr. James Andrews. He's the guy that when it's announced you're going to him, things aren't looking good. I think Bagwell went to him on a few occasions.

by TexSkins on Apr 13, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I knew he was talking 'bout Andrews . . .just thought a callout for House, whom Stros Bro hadn't mentioned, was in order.

You often hear about Marlins going to Andrews as well. . . . is it like teams have their guys, or that any athlete is free to go see him? I know Andrews isn't in the team Media Guide but that may not mean anything, considering how many 'Stros he's worked with.

I'll end up liking Tejada. . . . just give me some time

by rastronomicals on Apr 13, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's pretty much the best in the biz...

so teams usually send guys to see him after thier own guys look at their players... he's like the ultimate second opinion.

I'm pretty sure Carolina Panthers QB Jake Delhomme went to see him before his surgery as well. (He had Tommy John surgery last season.) So, in answer to your question, I don't think he's any teams' "official" doctor, just the guy to go see for a second opinion.

by TexSkins on Apr 13, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

To add on...

here's an ESPN article that names some of his more famous patients. From the article:

Hordes of top-tier athletes -- among them Troy Aikman, Charles Barkley, Roger Clemens, Allen Iverson, Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan, Jack Nicklaus, Emmitt Smith, John Smoltz and Doug Williams -- have made their way to his practices in the Deep South, where he happened to land in the early 1970s at the dawn of modern sports medicine.

It also mentions him scoping Clemens shoulder in 1985, performing Tommy John on Smoltz, and performing Drew Brees's shoulder surgery.

It also talks about how a young Randy Hendricks was one of the first to want second opinions for his clients. Quite an impressive article.

by TexSkins on Apr 13, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He's considered one of the top sports medicine orthopedic surgeons in the country. The local guy here, who is the A&M team doc, did a fellowship with him after residency.

75% of the Earth's surface is covered by water. . . the other 25% by Michael Bourn

by Danyah on Apr 13, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hadn't heard the story...

about Backe throwing 200+ pitches in a high school game. Backe seems like the type of person whom the coaches have to protect from himself; if he made his own decisions, he probably would continue pitching beyond the point that he should. Dice K supposedly threw something like 250 pitches in an extra inning game in the Japanese equivalent of high school. That made American scouts wonder if it just proves he is durable or whether there would be a day of reckoning.

For a contrarian point of view, I read an article about a professor at the medical school in Dallas who studied the X-rays of Nolan Ryan and some other durable pitchers of the past. He said that those pitchers may have benefited from an era in which young kids were not protected from throwing curveballs, high pitch counts, etc. He theorized that their shoulders had undergone structural changes while they were young which allowed them to throw without the normal stress, thereby avoiding surgery in their later years. I'm not saying I agree with his conclusions (and I'm not qualified to do so anyway). My immediate reaction to his article is that maybe some pitchers are genetically predisposed to pitching without injury.

by clack on Apr 14, 2008 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Pitch Counts are Relatively New

Dierker was told after a start that he had thrown over 150 pitches once and his response went along the lines of... SO what? He did not know that was alot.
However there have been quite a few stories in the past few years of high round draft choices getting hurt in College WS - at least one from Rice - because their coaches wore them out trying to win.

It's the next generation of Astros. Let's see if they can play like the men they are replacing.

by TBurford on Apr 14, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

I have heard those type of comments about Noble at UofH ruining his pitchers.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry

by TimStros on Apr 14, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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