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What can the Astros expect from Mike Hampton?

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Hopefully Mike Hampton holds up more like
he did in these days this year.

 

With the official announcement today of Mike Hampton's 1 year, $2 million dollar base contract, we now have to look to April 2009 and beyond.  Hampton's battle with injuries, of all sorts, is well chronicled and detailed, so there is no real need to rehash his past.  2008 saw him post 108 IP from rookie ball to the show, but what will 2009 hold?

 

Projecting a player who has had such limited appearances during the last 4-5 years is certainly a struggle.  Bill James' system sees 132 IP at a 4.83 FIP level, while Tom Tango's Marcels system envisions 99 IP at the 4.77 FIP level.  However, these systems rely heavily on the past few years worth of data points to look forward, and Hampton just doesn't give them much to work with.

In trying to think of what Hampton might provide us next year, I kept coming back to my own lack of certainty about his ability to even cover the 100 IP each system calls for.  To get some idea of what to expect from Hampton, health-wise, I contacted noted injury expert and author of Saving the Pitcher (a great book if you're at all interest in the physiology of pitching injuries) and BPro contributor, Will Carroll.  Carroll graciously gave Astros fans this outlook to ponder:

Hampton simply hasn't stayed healthy, but unlike your mutual fund, past performance is an indicator of future trends. Players who break down the way he did - almost a full system failure - tend to continue to do so. Hampton was both athletic and healthy at a point in his career, and just stopped. Players that come to mind like this are Todd Helton, Nomar Garciaparra, and, in an extreme example, Cal Ripken. There's no pitcher that has as complete a breakdown without a healthy period that I can find, which doesn't bode well. I haven't seen the details on the contract, but even a highly incentived deal isn't likely to pay off for the Astros. That said, Dave and Rex are among the best in the business, which gives some hope.

Not the most comforting of words.  Using my own calculus on Carroll's words, it sounds like 100 IP would be his upper limit.  That's about 10.78 non-leveraged runs saved above replacement, or 1.078 WARP.  HLP just noted that a player who can post that is worth $4.4 million dollars, but I believe that calculus involves the same kind of non-linear add-in for play off odds that I discussed when arguing that Ben Sheets could pay for himself.  Using Nate Silver's inflation adjusted linear win-value, Hampton offers about $840,000 of value.

With no news yet on the specifics of the deal, its hard to say how much we may end up over paying on the gamble.  There is also little real certainty in how much or how well Hampton will pitch, but Carroll's warning is ominous.  If Ed Wade feels any real satisfaction in this deal in terms of shoring up the rotation, some one please get him in contact with Will Carroll, ASAP.

Finally, for those of you keeping score at home, if Hampton does provide that 1 WARP, drops us .5 of win from my non-scientific projection for 2009.  Leaving us around the 80 win level.  I'm going to go ahead and say that I see about .5 WARP from Hampton though, making the change to my tally one full win and leaving us at 79.25 wins.

Again, my many thanks to Will Carroll for providing his expert opinion.

 

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good thinking to contact Carroll for a quote....

I said previously that the Astros probably overpaid for Hampton, and what you present verifies that. In reality, the value would best be examined probablistically….and it is possible that an expected value might be somewhat higher than the half million or so that you show (if you assume that the probability of higher innings pitched isn’t insignificant). However, the overall cost is low enough that it doesn’t bother me too much.

At this point, all we can do is cross our fingers and hope for the best. Possibly, Hampton might have one more decent season left in his body.

by clack on Dec 3, 2008 6:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm right with you on all of that

It’s like buying a junk bond. The thing I will say, though, is that if our budget is so incredibly tight, we better have some damn good medical insight into his health.

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by DyingQuail on Dec 3, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carroll did point out that our trainers are some of the best

maybe they replaced Hampton’s skeleton with adamantium – Wolverine style. If that’s the case, then the Astros can expect considerably more than 200 innings pitched. On the other hand, Hampton doesn’t have Wolverine’s mutant healing powers, so he won’t be able to pitch on a day’s rest.

Point is, we have no clue what Hampton’s medical report looked like. Maybe team doctors really believe he can stay healthy.

by Only_A_Lad on Dec 3, 2008 10:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

I assume that the physical was rigorous and we weren’t going to drop $2 million on a piss into the wind to see if Hampton could stay healthy.

I think what Carroll was getting at, though, was that whatever the MRI, etc., showed yesterday doesn’t mean that he can stay healthy given his total system failure over the last 4-5 years.

It did make me feel good to see that he pimped our trainers as some of the best in the biz though.

The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by DyingQuail on Dec 4, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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