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Drayton McLane will say just about anything.

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let me guess at #1

“have done enough to be competitive”

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

That was number one

How’d you guess? Aaron Boone didn’t fool you?

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by Stephen Higdon on Dec 29, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

What's wrong with a salary cap?

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by Jordan Sams on Dec 29, 2008 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

Mainly because there is no need for the salary cap

With the way baseball talent is developed and the risk and uncertainty involved in it. There are many, many ways to build a winner, or maintain long term competitiveness. This quote pretty much hits at that point:

Despite the absence of a cap, seven different teams have won the eight World Series titles following the mighty Yankees‘ run of four titles in five years, including the small-market Florida Marlins in 2003

I’m not saying it’d be the worst thing ever, or that Drayton might not have legitimate grounds to stand on to call for it. However, in this instance, this what I read between the lines of his statements:

1) Everyone wants a salary cap, but the greedy players and their union won’t allow it.
2) Everyone needs a salary cap because the evil Yankees are spending irresponsibly and creating inherent disadvantages in the market (even though they’ve actually lowered payroll from 2008 to 2009).

Number one is bunk because if salaries were too high, people would stop offering too high of salaries. Baseball is obviously still a very profitable deal for Drayton, this is just his stab at skimming some more profits from the City of Houston.

Number two is bunk because if the Yankees have built cyclical proof revenue streams to support their spending (which is actually a payroll cut) then good for them. They should be rewarded. If Drayton has allowed piss poor management of his team to hamper his ability to spend in economic uncertain times, than he should be punished for it because that’s his fault. Drayton had two options this offseason:

1) accept the necessary increase in payroll to truly be competitive and treat whatever deficit spending he accrued as a tax on his organization’s previous incompetence
or
2) do nothing and try his best to maintain profitability

Now clearly he’s gone with option two, which is fine and probably smart in the long run, but this entire article is just a soapbox for him to spin his bullshit about competitive disadvantages and greedy players digging into his deep pockets. And that, is what makes me sick.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Dec 29, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

small sample size on the last seven years

I think a cap on the total payroll could reduce taxpayer contributions. The Yankees have advantages, but a huge one is that they get enormous amounts of free money from the NY taxpayers. If the free money didn’t buy a gross competitive advantage and just enriched the Steinbrenners, it probably wouldn’t be so forthcoming.

Richard Justice agrees with you. He thinks that having the Sox and Yanks with enormous advantages is entertaining and enjoyable.

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The Astros

got a tremendous amount for free tax payer money, so did just about every team with a stadium built in the last 10-15 years. The competitive advantage the Yankees enjoy is that they’ve built one of the most ingenious revenue streams imaginable through the YES network. That is all. The Astros could have their own RSN that would create a continual incentive to win baseball games and drive up demand for subscriptions, but there’s some risk involved in that route.

I echo clack’s sentiments below. The owner’s float the cap as this cure all, but all it is is just more rent seeking behavior on their part. The only reason Drayton is unhappy about the present situation, is that he’s in the middle ground of the revenue sharing process, so the system isn’t working for him.

I don’t think it’s entertaining that the Yankees and Red Sox can spend a lot of money, I think it’s 100% justifiable because they’ve taken advantage of their revenue potential and done extremely well with that. If you want to cut down on the natural advantage they have, then we should look into putting another team in Boston and one more in New York because like clack pointed out, there’s no way the owners structure a cap that establishes parity…just profits.

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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.

by Stephen Higdon on Dec 29, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t agree about the cap. The Yankee advantage is to a great degree because they are getting a billion and a third to build a stadium.

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

the dbacks got to the series last year with a payroll under 50 million.. if our front office could get their heads out of their asses we wouldn’t need to sign high priced free agents..

maybe next season..

by fire richard justice on Dec 29, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

err,, drays,, err rays?

you guys should really have an edit feature so i don’t look stupid

maybe next season..

by fire richard justice on Dec 29, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I was actually thinking that your statement puts you in agreement with Richard Justice which is a bit ironic, but your point is still relevant. Dbacks made a run at it with a payroll that wasn’t huge the year before as well.

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i know.. it is a justice line of thinking, but i agree with him there. the only way to remain competitive on a reasonable budget (i think 100+ million is reasonable) is to heavily invest in scouting..

if you could go back and trade the lee contract to have a heavy (no pun intended) commitment of money to scouting and development and still not make the playoffs for 3 years in a row would you?

maybe next season..

by fire richard justice on Dec 29, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Payroll cap is useless to do anything but transfer revenues from players to owners.

A payroll cap does little to address competitiveness. The real issue is revenue sharing among teams. Baseball only has limited revenue sharing. The payroll cap would be an irrelevant discussion point if baseball has the degree of revenue sharing of the NBA and NFL. The NFL combines its payroll cap with a payroll floor and revenue sharing. As the BBTF article linked below states, if baseball had a revenue sharing scheme similar to the NFL, the payroll floor would likely be $100 million or higher.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/yankees_signed_teixeira/
(I recommend the article above as provocative.)

But it is the owners (not players) who will prevent NFL style revenue sharing. The teams with the most lucrative media contracts do not want to share the wealth. That’s understandable, I suppose. But it is probably harmful to the overall game in the long run.
In truth, baseball probably needed to tackle this problem before local media revenues became huge (as the NFL did), making it impossible to restructure revenues. The TBS and WGN ownership arrangements in the last decade were impediments to revenue sharing.

Do I think salary caps will prevent teams from extorting public taxpayers for funds? Hell, no. As long as the professional leagues enjoy a monopoly they will be able to do so. NFL and NBA teams have salary caps, but we still see them threaten to leave if they don’t get the new venues they want from taxpayers. As far as I know, Steinbrenner’s use of taxpayer money for a new stadium is no different than what the Astros, Brewers, Pirates and other teams enjoyed for their current ballparks. It’s not like Steinbrenner is richer than other owners. In fact, Drayton McLane’s wealth far surpasses Steinbrenner’s, as George Steinbrenner has noted in the past. The big advantage for the Yankees is that they are a “national” team and they have a huge media market.

by clack on Dec 29, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t have any preference or insight as to how the system should be adjusted, so your suggestion sounds like it could be good. I know that Yanks and Sox draw viewers on TV as well as in person, but I wonder if the revenue from a game were divided evenly between participants, what the result would be.

I don’t agree that a salary cap will necessarily enrich owners to the detriment of players though.

From what I read there are problems with how international signings work and the draft is having some problems that benefit wealthier teams. Those should be looked at as well.

by ol Pete on Dec 29, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

the ONLY thing a salary cap would do is to reduce the salaries of the players. it has exactly ZERO to do with minimum spending. or distribution of profits. if you have an 80 mill salary cap (the average team salary in the NL) it won’t stop anyone from running a 25-30 mill team out there. it also will decrease the amount of revenues going to the players

what is the point of that

not that i agree with justice that it is so wonderful to have the stupid yankees/redsox winning everything every year like they did in the 50s. it is the equivalent of a fixed game

Viva El Pest

by lisa gray on Dec 30, 2008 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

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