Roy Oswalt won't take economic woes as an answer
Dismayed by all the talk of economic troubles hamstringing a quality starting pitcher signing, Roy Oswalt took off to Las Vegas to let his GM know that he wasn't going to take that as an excuse.
Apparently Oswalt wants to restructure his contract to back load money towards the end of the contract to artificially free up money for 2009. While not the most logical of solutions because a starting pitcher's contract will certainly be for more than one year, still a noble gesture (if you ignore the fact that he's not requesting a pay cut to truly free up dollar signs on the Astros ledger).
The Chronicle's article had some interesting quotes:
They haven’t approached me about it, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Actually, I told Ed Wade that we could redo my contract if we could go out and get another starter.
And Wade's view point:
We’ve had a lot of internal discussions on a lot of things. I think when you get to things of that magnitude it takes a lot of conversations, and 99.99 percent of it has to be internal.
I'm interested to see if Lee or Berkman chime in on this issue. It's clear that Oswalt wants to be on a winning team again and is frustrated by the front office's willingness to make that happen.
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Oswalt is a Studd
He is making less than Lance, Miggy and Carlos yet steps up, and he is already underpaid. I just hope that all his efforts in trying to convince the front office to acquire an impact SP isn’t in vain.
Drayton should tread lightly, if Oswalt is ignored now, that may be a sign that Drayton has somewhat conceded and may give Roy less of a reason to stay an Astro.
A nice gesture
It doesn’t really change much, I’m sure, but it’s good to know that Oswalt cares so much about the team.
I can't seem to wrap my head around this...
Roy Oswalt, Jake Peavy and Ben Sheets are three awesome pitchers.
A team with the three of them would pretty much be garuanteed a spot in the play offs.
They are also friends.
They also want to play for the same team.
As a matter of fact!!! They want that team to be the Houston Astros.
HOW THE FUCK ARE DRAYTON AND WADE NOT ALL OVER THIS????!!!!!!!!
Because,
barring the Padres suddenly getting a case of the stupids, or another team is willing to get involved in a three team deal, there is no way the Astros can acquire Peavy.
As far as Sheets goes, I think we might all need to take a step back on this one. Not too long ago, many Astros fans (as well as quite a few on this site) noted that the draft is critically important to the Astros’ future success. After Wade (for whatever reason) failed to offer arbitration to Wolf, hiring Sheets would mean losing the Astros’ only first round pick in the draft.
Add that to the fact that Drayton has been historically unwilling to spend any money on the draft (though this has changed under Wade), and you have the recipe for another 2007 draft class. What resources Wade has at his disposal really should now be geared towards the future, and freeing up money for draft selection is, I’m sure, part of that.
What I think we have to recognize is that Sheets, as well as any other major FA pitcher, is going to cost the Astros quite a bit in cash and farm material. I don’t think we can blame Wade for having considerably more conservative offseason plans this year.
Now, we can blame Drayton for cutting payroll, but the truth is that we don’t know what his current financial situation is. It’s frustrating that he is seemingly unwilling to spend any money on free agents not named “Clemens,” but ultimately (as I said) we don’t know what’s going on within the organization.
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I can see the Peavy thing. Of course it’s unrealistic to expect the Astros to get Peavy. I can understand that. But I still don’t get Sheets. He will cost you a draft pick, sure, but draft picks are gambles. Maybe MAYBE they will be someone that’s the calibur of Roy or Lance and they will be ready in what? 3 or 4 years when those two are out the door? Then you have even more holes to fill. The time to strike is now. Adding a top tier FA starter now is tantamount to winning and even Roy realizes this.
Sheets wants to play for us. Roy is willing to redo his contract to make that happen. All Drayton has to do is ask. Sheets will be a major piece of the puzzle for the next few years if he joins us. I mean.. everyone is first round draft pick this, first round draft pick that.. fact is.. there are 30 first rounders picked a year.. you think all 30 of those guys amount to anything? Sheets is a guaranteed plus right now – Right now when we have Roy and Lance and Carlos and Matsui and Wandy.. We don’t need to gamble on some guy who MIGHT be productive in 3 or 4 years when these guys are gone. (or possibly gone.)
As for the money, FUCK THAT. Drayton – you own a fucking sports team. What’s the main goal? To fucking win. This is not Kraft or Holsum Foods or whatever. If you don’t get that, then it’s time to get out of the game.
The pride of Houston and all it’s fans is on the line.
by entropic soul on Dec 11, 2008 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
granted,
draft picks are always gambles. Even ML-ready talent (which we aren’t in a position to get, anyways) carries some risk to it – David Price could have blown out his elbow in June, Kerry Wood could have died in an accident or something. But your 1st round pick is the closest thing you have to a sure-thing in the draft.
Consider that the Astros’ best prospect right now (as per Baseball Prospectus) is Castro. We have so little talent in Corpus Christi, Round Rock, and even Salem that our best prospect played last year in Low freaking A ball. Yeah, the Astros have other talent, and this first year of the 2008 draft class has looked good, but it really means something that BPro thinks a guy who has only played 39 games is our best bet to contribute in the coming years.
Simply put, the Astros just can’t afford to lose any more of those top picks. Bobby Heck needs to find good players in the lower rounds, too, but their first round pick is the Astros’ most precious non-Oswalt/Berkman asset.
So that’s the calculation you have to do, if you’re Ed Wade. Yes, Sheets is close to a guarantee right now, production-wise (though no pitcher is a known quantity; they’re just too injury-prone), but I’d argue that the Astros need another strong draft more than they need a few more wins from Sheets. One means the Astros might win a championship in a few years, the other means that the Astros still have to hope and pray to make the playoffs this year, despite having another $14 million contract obligation for the year.
On Drayton’s money: look, I’m the first to say that the economy isn’t quite as bad as people like to make it out to be. But Drayton, like every other billionaire, probably had most of his money tied up in the stock market. We have no idea how much of a hit his assets took. Faced with a risky economic situation, I can see why he doesn’t want to add another multi-million dollar obligation to his expenditures.
Baseball is exactly like Kraft (actually, given the level of gov’t subsidy, I’d say it’s more like car manufacturing or airline operation). You have a final product (wins on the field), inputs of labor (the players and employees), and inputs of capital (the ballpark and its amenities, as well as human capital). These inputs all have costs associated with them, and you need to find the right set of inputs to make a profit. And, like every other firm, the Astros are forced to make tradeoffs. Drayton has less of an excuse for spending little money, compared to the owners of the Royals or Pirates or Padres since he owns one of the more wealthy clubs, but the Astros are still nowhere near as wealthy as the Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, or Dodgers (and the Yankees are worth about THREE TIMES what the Astros are). He’s firmly amongst the league’s upper-middle class of clubs, and he’s just as affected by the economy as they are.
Of course, that isn’t stopping the Braves from offering Burnett a significant contract, but their own financial risks are their business.
And if Houston’s pride is tied up in its sports teams, we’re all screwed.
And, Andy, I agree. It really sucks that the Astros are in this sort of economic and organizational position. It was made this way because Drayton and Purpura didn’t understand what they were doing. and it’s going to take a while to fix. In the meantime, the Astros face a tradeoff between the quality of the MLB team and the quality of the organization. Unfortunately, that’s really boring.
by Only_A_Lad on Dec 11, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
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by Stephen Higdon on Dec 11, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I don't buy any of that.
You have a sports team, you need to do your best to win. Rather make money instead? Sell the team and open a freakin bakery or something. This is the best time to pony up the cash for another starter. It won’t matter when Berkman and Roy are gone.
by entropic soul on Dec 11, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
"You have a sports team, you need to do your best to win"
That’s my point: even if Drayton spends now, it’s unlikely that the Astros can get into contention. Unless they sign two big FA pitchers and find real help for CF and catcher, this team isn’t going to go anywhere.
And if you do all those things, you’ve probably further crippled the organization for years to come. You’ve lost your first several picks in the draft, and less money is available for signing picks.
You seem to believe that Drayton has effectively unlimited resources. That’s just not the case. He owns the Astros, not the Red Sox or Yankees, and he has to work with extensive, but not unlimited assets.
And of course he’s attempting to make money from the team. Why else would he buy the thing?
Seriously, a lot of us were talking about how the Astros needed a fire sale back in July. What changed? Because, as I see it, the only thing that has changed since then has been (1) LaTroy Hawkins, (2) Pence not being quite so awful, (3) everyone has gotten older. The smart move, I think, is to play the current market conservatively, attempt to bait larger clubs into overpaying for Wigginton, Valverde, Tejada, etc. in trades, and to quietly build up the farm system. Signing Ben Sheets is only going to hurt that last one.
Redo
The word he said was “redo”
That’s very vague. Does it just mean a restructuring and backloading or could he take less money altogether?
Will it light a fire under McLane?
If one assumes that the economic downturn is temporary, i.e.,, no more that a couple of years, then it makes a lot of sense. Shifting the expenditures would free up money while credit is tight and, hopefully, the economy is back to normal when more cash is due in a couple of years. (It is kind of like an offer by Oswalt to loan the Astros money while credit is tight.) Whether the Astros respond positively to the suggestion is another issue.
As far as taking a true pay cut (as opposed to contract restructuring), I doubt that would be feasible. The union would have to approve the contract change, and they would be looking to see if it is a truly just a restructuring.
The problem I only half alluded to
Is that this economic downturn has the makings of Japan’s ten year stagnation written all over it. Especially with the policy responses of the Fed — especially paying interest on the reserves to keep the extreme increases in the monetary base from leaking into the money supply. So Roy shifting funds right now isn’t really going to incentivize a FA SP signing because I’m sure the front office is reading the same tea leaves as everyone else.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Dec 11, 2008 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
right on entropic soul
Sounds to me like an ultimatum from Roy and hopefully he can talk some sense into Drayton. Since the day Peavy’s “list” came out I have seen him in Brick Red and I won’t give up that dream until I see him holding up a Cubs jersey. Then I’ll puke. I don’t care what the number crunchers say, Peavy or Sheets makes us contenders next season.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Dec 11, 2008 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
Drayton lowers budget some more?
This passage from the Astros.com article on the meetings:
Rumor has it that club owner Drayton McLane may have even ordered the payroll lowered to $95 million since the beginning of the Winter Meetings.
Seems like Drayton keeps lowering the cost cutting target on Wade.
What I would like our rotation to be
Oswalt
Sheets
Big Unit
Wandy
Hampy
by goingforthecorner on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM CST reply actions
That's a great rotation,
but I doubt that the Stros will land Sheets. We’ll need someone to take Moehler/Backe’s place.
How about this guy? He didn’t do so hot last season, and I’ve heard he’s had some discipline problems, but he might be worth a shot.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Dec 11, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions

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