Adam Dunn
by wadero on Nov 4, 2008 10:02 AM CST
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PrintGoing by information from a Harris County Sheriff that Hunts with Adam Dunn. He told me that Adam has told his agent that he wants to come to Houston bottom line doesnt care how he does it just that Adam wants to be here in 09. I also know he is a type A free agent so if we do sign him we lose a 1st rd pick? If that happens where would we play him and would this make us a better ball club?
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genearlly speaking
i like dunn. a .900 ops is welcome on my team anytime. i don’t see how he could fit on this team, though. carlos lee and lance berkman are entrenched on this team. dunn can only play the corner out-field spots, and first base. maybe if the astros trade hunter pence, then he could be viable candidate to become an astro, but at the same time, i think the front office is sold on our offense (for better or worse) and will focus on pitching. honestly, if we sign a free agent this winter that isn’t named randy wolf, ill be surprised.
by Evan Hochschild on Nov 4, 2008 10:15 AM CST reply actions
Footer addressed this in her last mailbag
and I think I agree with her. There’s no way you can start an outfield with Lee in LF and Dunn in RF. I would have liked to have seen Dunn here a few years ago, before Lee lumbered into town, but he just doesn’t fit unless we do some major rearrangement.
At one point it may have been possible to keep Puma in RF and let Dunn play 1st, but I don’t think that’s a viable option any longer. Berkman’s your marquee player in the lineup and it’s hard to ask him to switch positions again. Also, he’s a couple years and a major knee surgery older than the last time he played OF.
I agree with you and footer
but it would be amusing watching both Lee and Dunn in the outfield…
It would also be amusing to see a lineup with Dunn, Berkman and Lee batting back to back to back.
Go 'Stros!
Poor Michael Bourn then
He would have to run all OVER the place.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Nov 4, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
If Dunn and Lee are in the OF
it would be poor Pence… Bourn would be on the bench
But yes, mass hilarity
Go 'Stros!
It would also end
In another broken leg.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Nov 4, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Alright hear this proposal then:
We trade Wigginton. We sign Dunn.
We then move Carlos Lee to 3B and pay for liposuction (he played third in the minors). We put Dunn in LF.
Seriously, though, I love Adam Dunn, and it would be awesome to have the Big Puma AND the Big Donkey on the same team (Christ, we’d have a killer “Murderers’ Row”, wouldn’t we? Berkman-Lee-Dunn-Pence-Tejada. That would be cool as hell), but there’s just no room. Dunn needs to go somewhere with a DH. He has no business in the field.
That would be a re-GD-diculous line-up
I really don’t know that Carlos can play 3B. He just doesn’t seem agile…in the least. If he’s down for lipo though…
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Nov 4, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Lee did play 3rd at his whole minor career
BA on Lee’s 3rd base defense at 1999
Lee has plenty of arm strength to play third base, and his hands are soft and quick. Still, there are some questions about his ability to play third in the big leagues. The problems come from Lee’s footwork, which is awkward and leads to reduced range and too many throwing errors.
Carlos Lee, who came up through the White Sox organization as a third baseman, would be open to moving back to the position if the Astros asked him.
“He’s got great hands,” manager Phil Garner said. “He’s quick. He’s very quick. He’s extremely quick and good.”
in the dept. of crazy ideas
Lee @ 3B is not the craziest. It will probably never happen, but Dierker suggested a similar idea re: Luke Scott at the end of the season before he got traded. I just don’t see this team with this leadership going for something so radical though.
Would be fun to watch though (probably in a bad way, but still).
the only way I see it happening
is if he gets one of those endless pools, someone to wield a whip if he tries to get out before his 3 hours are up and a cook who takes orders from Astros trainers.
That visual
Is incredible.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Nov 4, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
crazy idea...
Lee would be moving the wrong way on the defensive spectrum (from the 2d easiest defensive position to one of the more challenging defensive positions) and the prospect of a good outcome isn’t too good at his age. It’s hard to find examples of successes for players who move the wrong way on the spectrum as they get older. However, it’s certainly an interesting idea. It would be a great move if it worked.
As for Dunn’s defense, he has improved during the last two years. Dunn made a concerted effort over the off-season and spring to work on his defense. And I noticed the improvement immediately in watching him play against the Astros this year. Doubt it? Look at has Revised Zone Rating (RZR): he was the 3d best defensive LFer in the NL. (Carlos Lee was the 2d worst; Dunn is much better than Lee in RZR.) That is an amazing improvement. Dunn used to register RZR ratings close to the bottom, near Carlos Lee territory.
If the Astros were willing to move Berkman to the outfield (and I realize the problems with doing that, as mentioned by lnewcomer), then you might actually get a decent defensive result by moving Lee to 1st base, Dunn to LF, and Berkman to RF. This assumes that the fielding skills which allowed Lee to play 3d base at one time would permit Carlos to become a good defensive 1st baseman. At least it would move Lee in the more defensive direction on the defensive spectrum. This is just food for thought…not really advocating it.
I'm rather surprised people took my "Lee to 3B" suggestion seriously.
I didn’t propose it seriously, after all. As I’ve said previously, most position moves don’t work, besides the typical moves towards LF or 1B (or SS to 3B, C to corners, etc.).
I hadn’t actually looked at the RZR values for this year. I’m very surprised that Dunn ranked so highly. But I suppose it makes some sense. He’s lacking in the speed department, but he has a good arm. And it seems he has cut down on the number of inexplicable reads on fly balls that he used to have. He’ll never be faster, but he can be smarter. Nice to see a player spend time working on his defense – particularly for a guy like Dunn, who will never get paid for his defense.
i'm not sure any of us are taking it exactly "seriously"
we’re just batting it around for fun. the consensus I read above is that there’s very, very little chance it ever happens and even if it happens, the chances of success are really slim.
still, I think it’s worth discussing because it’s the kind of idea that (apparently) doesn’t get enough thought or discussion with MLB teams. Now I would guess there might be someone in the Astros org thinking these kinds of things, but we never hear about them thru the media. I was actually impressed when I heard it brought up in the past (probably around the time of the Phil Garner quote in the article mentioned.) The Astros are in a position for the next couple of years (hopefully) where they need some creative thinking to compete. Ideas like this can be a start.
Adam Dunn
If we sign him, we have to bench Michael Bourn or Hunter Pence, I have a feeling though that it will be Bourn sitting. Also, the Astros already have a good hitting team it might help a little though.
The Trade-Maker
Are the Astros "a good hitting team"?
The Astros’ offense was in the bottom 3d of ML teams in runs and OBP. The Astros offense was middle of the pack in batting average. Check out the stats here:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/byteam?cat=Overall&cut_type=0&conference=MLB&year=season_2008&sort=702
Maybe the Astros become a good hitting team if Tejada rebounds, Towles makes a break through, and Bourn learns how to hit.
Just as an off the cuff sort of observation/calculation, it’s looking like the Astros offense needs to be generating about an extra run every two games (about 80 runs over a season), to be a “good hitting team”. That’d put us in the top third of runs scored in MLB, top 3 or 4 in the NL, second in the NL Central (just edging out the Cards, but way behind the Cubs).
80 runs at first seemed like a lot for those three guys to make up. But when I started thinking about it, they may be able to pull it off if Bourn and Towles can just get on base enough for other folks to drive them in.
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