Hunter Pence's plate discipline
Clack, posted a link to an excellent, per usual, bit of analysis from Fangraphs. The article dealt with Hunter Pence's plate discipline utilizing Fangraphs new plate appearance statistics. Like clack's reaction to the article stated: there wasn't a lot we already didn't know, but it certainly made some things concrete. These stats are relatively new, but their pretty much intuitive. The article points out that Hunter Pence saw more sliders and few fastballs than anyone in the league, and as a result, he was swinging at more pitches outside the zone.
The article, seemed to me at least, to imply an inherent weakness of Pence's to the slider. While I completely agree that Pence needs to work on his plate discipline like I need to go for a 10 mile run to burn off yesterday's gluttony, I don't believe that Pence is some kind of lost cause because he can't lay off the slider. My view on Pence was that he's young and still feeling out big league pitching; that he has no real weakness other than nerves and still being green behind the years.
According to Fangraphs' new stats, Hunter Pence saw 668.45 sliders in 642 PA, at a rate of 28.3% of all the pitches he saw. In 2007, Pence saw 357.2 sliders in 484 PA, at a rate of 20.4% of all the pitches he saw. Pence swung at 734.58 pitches outside the zone in 2008 and 521.8 in 2007. That's 31.1% and 29.8% respectively. While percentages are good, and they drive home the point, I wanted something more concrete to look at, for myself. Pence saw .74 sliders/PA in 2007 and 1.04 sliders/PA in 2008. That's a huge increase. Pence swung at 1.08 pitches outside of the zone/PA in 2007 and 1.14 pitches outside of the zone in 2008. That's not a huge change. The change in sliders seen in now way can be accounted for in his outside of the zone swinging percentage.
Looking at the percentage of pitches he takes for strikes, it increased by 3.9%. I don't know how significant of an increase any of the percentages are because there hasn't been a lot of with them, but that seems like a pretty large increase. What that increase tells me, along with the fairly consistent outside of the zone swinging percentage, is that Pence is up there guessing. It's not that Pence has a weakness, its that he needs to develop an eye for the strike zone, something that he apparently had in the minors. I don't think him reestablishing his strike zone is out of the question because I think its just a matter of confidence and comfort -- not of inherent weakness.
Like I said, I'm not an authority on these numbers, but thats what I got from playing around with them.
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Some good points.
Personally, the pitch/discipline data seems difficult to interpret unless put in the context of other hitters. So, the percentages mean more if you look at it in terms of rankings (or perhaps top or bottom quartile, etc.,). The range for some percentages are more narrow than others; so some relative benchmarks are helpful. In those terms, Pence is closer to the extremes on O swing% both this year and last year (and more extreme this year).
By the way, I would suggest that rather than stating the plate discipline stats per PA, it would be better to state them per pitch, since a change in plate discipline is likely to change the number of pitches per PA. I don’t know that it will make any difference in this case, but it’s just an observation.
What I hope to see is Hunter Pence exhibiing the power he showed in the minors. Hunter Pence’s isolated power (ISO) in the minors: .314 (A), .185 (A+), .250 (AA), .232 (AAA). In the majors, .217 (07), .196 (08). Noticing that Pence’s ISO dipped to a level similar to 08 when he advanced to A+ ball but rebounded one year later in AA, maybe that is an indication of the power increase which is possible if he can make the adjustments to major league ball.
I think there is an adjustment process for young hitters (particularly in their 2d year) as pitchers adjust to their weaknesses. Some successfully make the adjustments, others don’t. I recall that Ryan Braun faced similar problems to Pence early in 08, as he struggled early on with pitchers throwing him breaking pitches outside the zone. However, he obviously made his adjustments more quickly than Pence, since he rebounded with a very strong season. Interestingly, Braun swung at more pitches outside the zone than Pence in 08; and similar to Pence, Braun also faced less FBs than 07 and pitchers attacked him with more sliders and change ups than 07. However, Braun maintained a higher LD% than Pence in 08, and he hits more flyballs than Pence, which resulted in more HRs.
I’m not sure what to make of Pence’s very low LD% in 08. Some hitters have large fluctuations in LD% from year to year, while others have consistent LD rates. Many of the hitters with a similar low LD% in 08 were young hitters (Weeks, Brandon Philips, Quentin), so maybe this reflects their lack of comfort in the process of adjusting to ML pitchers.
I think it is possible that the Sept. performance of Pence reflects some success in adjusting to ML pitchers which will carry over to next year. In any event, I think next season is very important in determining the direction of Pence’s career. I think he is at an early enough part of the adjustment curve that we may see a significant peformance increase. However, if he continues at the current level in 09, I would be less optimistic.
by clack on
Nov 28, 2008 3:07 PM CST
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I hadn't thought of looking at his ISO
And that’s raises an great point.
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by DyingQuail on
Nov 28, 2008 4:27 PM CST
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