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I’m visiting from AthleticsNation because I don’t follow the Houston Astros and I have a question regarding Miguel Tejada. ESPN’s Jayson Stark is usually right fewer times a day than a broken clock but every now and then he finds a nugget. He says the Astros don’t have a lot of cash to upgrade their pitching staff and they might be looking to move some of their larger contracts. I don’t know if this is true or not and I don’t pretend to know how good the Astros expect to be in 2009. Do they think they can contend with the roster they’ve got right now or are they a few upgrades from having a realistic shot? What does the farm system look like; can they expect help from the young’uns?
I don’t know any of these answers so I promise I’m not trying to start a flame war when I ask if there’s a chance Miguel Tejada could be had in a trade. Would he be available and if he was what would the Astros want in return? I’m not asking for you to give me specific names of A’s players/prospects, just positions of need. I figure any deal would require the A’s to pick up the full $13 million Tejada is set to earn in 2009… I’m fine with that. The only request I make of anyone who replies is to be reasonable in your expectations of the return package. And if you think the Astros plan to make a run of it in 2009 and Miggy is a key to that, then let me know that as well.
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My gut assumption that Stark is wrong, but I won’t rule it out definitively. If we are going to unload contracts, I think that Valverde will be the player we move that Stark mentions.
Unfortunately our front office thinks we can contend because of a ridiculous hot streak in August.
Our farm system looks pretty bleak, although some of our guys are having strong Winter Ball performances, but I don’t think they’ll be able to contribute in any significant way this year.
If we do trade him our needs are/would be (in order of descending importance):
Starting Pitching
Catcher
RHB CF
A new SS.
I think that the trade could easily get done without the A’s having to eat all of Tejada’s contract because we’re so talent starved.
Hope that helps.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
Thanks for the welcome
Let me re-phrase the bit about picking up Tejada’s full contract. I’d prefer the A’s to pick up the $13 million because I’d rather part with the cash then lose an extra prospect as compensation for Houston picking up part of the tab.
Looking at your wish list, I can tell you right now that the only Catcher you’d be remotely interested in (and had a chance at acquiring) would be Landon Powell and his thrice repaired knee. The only RH CF in the farm system is Aaron Cunningham and I’m not sure the A’s would part with much more tthen him for Miggy. Plus a lot would depend on if you think Cunningham could cut it in CF… scouts disagree on that point.
I think the best value could be had by dipping into the A’s pool of young SP. You could probably get one of Gio Gonzalez, James Simmons, Dallas Braden, Dana Eveland or Vincent Mazzaro in the deal. Henry Rodriguez might be available as well, but is he going to make it as a SP? You could probably get one of Oakland’s AAA SS as well, either Gregorio Petit or Cliff Pennington… which might not sound like much but you gotta understand, if the A’s actually had an outstanding SS prospect in the upper minors I wouldn’t be here asking about Miggy!
Personally speaking, it seems as if the A’s have soured on Gregorio Petit. This is a guy who’s not ever going to be a great hitter but Baseball America ranked him as the A’s best defensive infielder prior to last season, so his value is tied almost entirely in his glove. So I think you could get Petit and one of the above arms for Miggy. Depending on which arm you choose you might be able to get a 3rd prospect as well.
Now, I should have said this in my post, but any A’s interest in Miggy would come only if they failed to sign Furcal to a FA contract. I’m hoping they wouldn’t fool themselves into thinking Renteria would make a viable Plan B. And in case you’re wondering… Bobby Crosby is probably the worst starting SS in major league baseball so if the A’s are serious about contending in 2009 they need to upgrade at SS.
Thanks for the reply.
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It's possible, but not very likely.
I don’t see the Astros letting go of Miggy after all the trouble they went through to get him after all these years. I believe management has mentioned finding someone to play SS every so often so Miggy can get some rest every week or so. If that’s the plan, doesn’t sound like they plan on moving him. Just my opinion, though.
But 'tis an informed opinion
Which is what I lack and hope to attain!
Just curious, but do you expect the Astros to contend next year? What do they need to do to have a shot if they aren’t ready to go as is.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I don’t want to speak for entropic, but I’ll throw in my two cents on this:
I don’t expect the Astros to contend next year, at least not without some big changes to our roster. Here’s what I can think of as our major problems last year:
- low production from center field and catcher
- Tejada hit a big slump in the middle of the season and it took him a while to get out of it
- Oswalt slumped at the beginning of the season
- Our fifth starter was a revolving door
- Our rotation gave up a lot of homers (Brandon Backe, I’m looking at you)
What do we need:
- Some solid OBP from CF and catcher
- Improvement in the rotation (improvement everywhere from #2-#5)
- IF utility guys who can handle SS, 2B, and 3B who can handle a solid number of games (I’m expecting injuries at 2B and Tejada needing regular rest)
seems like a long list of needs
add tejada’s short term contract + possibly using that extra money on fa’s and the prospect haul in return…it seems trading tejada maybe the best option.
from the A’s depth i can think they can fill that sp, decent middle infield need, etc plus 13mill can be used to bring in several mid tier, scrap heap FA’s
maybe like a juan rivera, hinske, punto, uribe, byrd, penny, etc
add to that an already solid offensive core with lee/berkman/pence etc
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 14, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't expect Tejada to be traded.
Now, a darned good argument could be made that the Astros should trade him. His offensive decline last season is a concern, and if that turns out to be his real production level nowadays, he is overpriced. But I think he is one of McLane’s favorite players. And he is extremely well liked in the clubhouse. Berkman says he is the best teammate he has ever had. Those kinds of factors make me doubt that the Astros will consider trading Tejada.
Do I expect the Astros to contend next year? I think it is unlikely unless the Astros acquire a good starting pitcher to add to the rotation. The Astros have a lot of uncertainties. Will Tejada return to previous level of offensive production? Is J.R. Towles read to produce at catcher similar to the level he showed in the minors? Is Bourn a fourth outfielder or a starting outfielder? A reasonable argument could be made for a positive outcome on any of those questions….but the liklihood of a positive outcome on all of them in the same year is more remote.
I agree with clack on every point
The thing I want you take away from we, the Astros fans, is that our ownership is inept and fully believes we can contend next year if we just freeze this years roster.
After seeing the names you laid out, especially Gio, I would hope Ed Wade would have the sense to pull the trigger if there were real interest on your end, but I think that Drayton McLane will veto the hell out of the deal.
As for my thinking the Astros can contend: as it stands currently: Not a chance in hell. If they acquire Ben Sheets or a decent pitcher to complement Roy Oswalt, they have a shot, maybe, at the Wild Card. I think JR Towles will improve and I get the feeling that Michael Bourn might be able to OPS .700+ which is a huge a improvement.
I’m very interested in this idea now, though. I’m glad you came over here and got the ball rolling on it. I will also say that I’m just scared for us to deal with the A’s because Beane will just talk circles around poor Ed and probably get us to pay his entire contract and send us some grounds keepers.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Nov 14, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Beane will want to keep his groundkeepers
He might send some of the medical staff your way if you like.
The monster at the end of this blog.
If the medical staff could show us how to keep our young pitchers from getting arm injuries, it might be worth it!
Amen to that
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Nov 15, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
The arms will be fine
Hips and obliques? Maybe not so much.
Your position players will want an independent MASH unit guaranteed in their contracts.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Nov 15, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Other than the nice reunion, why would the A’s want Tejada? I understand your weak at SS but it doesn’t seem like The A’s to want to pick up a big contract. Are the rumors true that your owner wants to contend now? Was the reason (part of the reason) behind the Holliday move?
Besides all of that, I would be ok with trading Miggy for a young starter plus baggage. Although, I personally expect a bit of anupgrade offensively this season even though he is only getting older. Also, he is well liked and a player our owner has wanted for some time.
From the A's perspective
It makes no sense to trade for Holliday and not make a run for the division crown. That said, Holliday isn’t enough to get it done. The A’s need at least 1 more bat and I think Miggy could offer that. He’d certainly be an improvement over what we have and at 1 year/$13 million even if he falls completely off the face of the Earth it’s not going to be something that plagues the A’s in 2010 and beyond.
Beane is pushing hard for Rafeal Furcal. He poses a much greater long term risk then Miggy does. The two SS might end up costing exactly the same amount of money in 2009 but with Tejada there’s no chance of a hang-over later.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Thinking about it I would say I wouldnt take chavez just give us some SP’s and you got a deal. We can either pull someone off the scrap heap ( reteria, eckstein NOMAR!! counsell Hariston Jr) . We need to be realistic and realize we are not in a spot to win it all we need to stay competive but we got to bring our minor leagues up to par!!

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