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Booing in Baseball

This is just more of a topic starter, no real meat to this thread... but today after seeing Jennings give up 11 runs in 2/3's of an inning and then hearing the crowd boo him off the field, it just kind of bothered me.  Maybe I'm a softy, but I just can't see any reason to boo your own team...

What do you think?  Do you think it's ever acceptable to boo your own team?  When?  Why?  

In my opinion, the only time I'm going to boo my own team, is if it's just a total lack of effort.  Earlier in the season I would have boo'd Carlos Lee multiple times for not running out grounders or not hustling in the field.  But I'd never boo him for doing poorly...  maybe it's just me.  Maybe it's just pent up frustration for the lack of production Jennings has had this year and the players we lost in the trade to get Jennings.  Hell I don't know, just curious what you guys(and gals) think about the subject.

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Would you have Boo'd Jennings?
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No
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I have sort of two sides to the issue
The first side, the yes side, is a tricky one.  I think it's the duty of the fans to voice their displeasure about a player.  But, this displeasure shouldn't be used lightly.  Even Jennings, in an interview, said he didn't realize the magnimity of the situation until he heard the crowd booing.  He knew that he had let down the team, but the booing made him realize how much he let down the fans and that the booing was a reality check.

And while I may not boo, I may cuss you out, call you names, curse your existence, and wish you never wore this uniform.  Is that really so much better?  Because the player can't hear it?

On the flipside, I think you need to support your team and their players to the very end.  While I might not be a fan of Burke, he is still my 25th favorite player who is playing baseball at this moment.

Wandilicious

by saylinara on Jul 30, 2007 1:25 AM CDT   0 recs

You Would Rank Brian Moehler
ahead of Burke?

My issue with Burke is that he's not all the team cracks him up to be, i.e., he wasn't a pick worthy of the first round, he wasn't ready to debut when he did in '04, he certainly isn't a centerfielder, or a future All-Star.

He's not all that much to get excited about.

But on the other hand, he IS a career Astro, he IS a product of our farm system, and he DID play a major part in the playoff run of the most successful team in franchise history.

I'd probably rank him 15th or so, I gotta think about it.

Wandilicious

by rastronomicals on Jul 30, 2007 7:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, certainly.
Although I did find someone I'd rank behind Burke -- McLemore.  But the difference between 24th and 25th isn't much.
Wandilicious

by saylinara on Jul 30, 2007 12:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm A Homer
to a fault, and I've never booed a home team player, whether it was the Marlins or the Astros.

But I do expect two things:  

  1. give effort consistently and
  2. be prepared to play
Jason was not prepared to pitch yesterday, you can't argue that he was, and therefore I would have booed him Sunday.
Wandilicious

by rastronomicals on Jul 30, 2007 7:07 AM CDT   0 recs

This topic may have...
been more interesting during the Lidge melt down games.  The MMP fans got to the point that they were quick to boo Lidge even if he just started off with a walk to begin the 9th...and of course gave him big choruses of boos as he walked off after an unsuccessful 9th.

What became apparent with Lidge is that the booing at home probably hurt his confidence.  At some points in 06, I was glad when the Astros went on a road trip, because I figured Lidge had a better chance of resurrecting himself on the road, than at home.  That, to me, is the most negative aspect of booing your team's players...it may actually harm their future ability to perform.  One wonders how this will affect Jennings' future performance.  I can bet that he will probably start hearing boos in his next start if he allows the first base runner to reach base. And that won't be helpful.

Richard Justice said that the booing was aimed at the whole Astros' organization--not just Jennings--because of the season, the trade, and Pupura.  How he knows that, I don't know.  The only thing I might have booed is Garner--for waiting so long to remove Jennings. There is a reason so few bad outings like this occur: managers don't wait until the game is 11-0 to remove a pitcher.

To the specific question, would I have booed Jennings?  Probably not.  It's not like he is trying to blow the game.  Every indication is that he is making his best effort.  In all liklihood he is pitching with an arm injury.  He also had terrible defense behind him...making it a team loss too.  But I admit that I'm not much on booing, in general. I reserve most of my boos for bad calls by the umpire.

by clack on Jul 30, 2007 8:45 AM CDT   0 recs

If JJ is pitching with
an arm injury, shouldn't he be on the DL?  

by bwhite2323 on Jul 30, 2007 8:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably...
yes.  There is always a lot we don't know about injury situations.  Maybe Jennings is trying to pitch through pain because he knows TJ surgery might be the next step, and he wants to avoid it.  Perhaps the team knows he has a problem, but they think he can pitch through it.  Of course, I don't know for certain if he is injured.  But, even before this debacle, Will Carroll said a trustworthy person who watched Jennings' mechanics believes he is injured. An outing like this--in which Jennings had neither control nor velocity-- would be symptomatic of an injury.

by clack on Jul 30, 2007 9:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand the pressures to keep playing
when injured, but if such is the case, he has hurt not only his team but himself.  He's a free agent at the end of the season and that last outing, coupled with what has been at best a mediocre season until then, can't be doing much for his market value.

He's overweight, rumored (strongly) to be out of shape, and pitching poorly.  Probably won't get much more than a 3 year deal for $7 mil per. :-)  Unless, of course, the Yankees take him.

by bwhite2323 on Jul 31, 2007 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Booing
I was at that game and I have to say I've never seen a 1st inning meltdown like that but I am a girl and was almost reduced to tears for Jennings.  
The booing was so bad, I just felt terrible for him.
I'm not sure you should boo your own team, especially if your hometown player is in distress like Jennings surely was.
The crowd was all keyed up to boo because each defensive error got a good round of boos too.  
Right after Burke hit that 3-run homer, he slipped on trying to make that double play and he got a lot of boos.  
That's baseball, I guess; one inning you're a hero and the next you're a screw-up!

by DeAnna on Jul 30, 2007 10:30 AM CDT   0 recs

I see both
sides as many of you have said.  With that being said though, fans pay alot of money for their seats and these players make millions.  If fans want to voice their displeasure, they are allowed to do that.

by ReLaunch on Jul 30, 2007 11:29 AM CDT   0 recs

Don't disagree...
Even if I personally wouldn't boo, I have always said that fans who pay for a seat are entitled to boo...even if it is boo..rish. (attempt at humor)

by clack on Jul 30, 2007 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This comes closest to what I think.
They make a lot of money for playing a child's game. It comes with the territory. I also feel like the booing yesterday could be a general outcry at the front office leadership, or lack thereof.

I personally like spontaneous displays of both praise and displeasure at 'Stros games. For a long time, I've felt like Astros fans were still acting like the pre-programmed Astrodome crowds used to act - only making noise when the scoreboard told them to. It's only been in the past couple of years where I've seen widespread, spontaneous fan reactions that seemed like they arose from a real understanding of what was happening on the field, such as I've noticed in places like Wrigley or Busch.

Bring back Kevin Bass

by Austin Astroholic on Jul 30, 2007 2:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jul 30, 2007 11:49 AM CDT   0 recs

Booing is OK
it is accepted and expected by the players just as are the cheers when things go well.  Most players will say they don't hear either, but obviously that is untrue. The line is at booing for me, though.  No profanity (out loud), throwing of objects, or other such nonsense.

I can't imagine going to see the Astros play the Giants and not booing Barry, for example, who in my opinion represents the essence of all that is bad about baseball.

On the other side of the coin, it's perfectly OK to applaud for an opposing player or to cheer a great play made by the other team.  Be warned though, it brings out boos from many sitting around you.

by bwhite2323 on Jul 30, 2007 12:00 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm all for booing Bonds/Pujols
But for 2 completely different reasons... I'm all for booing Bonds because of what he stands for and all that is bad about him.  When I boo Pujols it's purely a respect thing towards him.  
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Jul 30, 2007 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See, That's What I Don't Get
I would boo (and have booed) Bonds, like bwhite says for all he represents, and I would boo Beltran because of what HE represents, but to boo Pujols because you have respect for him, that I don't understand.

He's a great player; while I would have difficulty cheering for him, I think the right approach there is to just stay silent.

Wandilicious

by rastronomicals on Jul 30, 2007 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, maybe Beltran should be booed
because of what represents him....

by bwhite2323 on Jul 30, 2007 8:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's A Good One
Did you realize that Boras represents Greg Maddux?

I hadn't.

Wandilicious

by rastronomicals on Jul 30, 2007 9:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did not know that
and wish you hadn't told me - I really like(d) Maddox.

by bwhite2323 on Jul 31, 2007 9:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

booing
It is definitely ok to show your dipleasure towards the home team.  As long as it doesn't descend into the area of personal insults and profanity, paying customers have the right to openly complain about a dissappointing product.  In the case of Sunday's game, the fans were booing not only JJ, but the ridiculous trade that brought him here, as well as all of the other things that have contributed to a lousy season.
It's a marathon, not a sprint.

by charleythecougar on Jul 30, 2007 1:42 PM CDT   0 recs

if you get paid millions.
you can put up with some booing.  most of the people booing don't have a clue of what's going on.  jennings deserved it, garner really deserved it, purpura deserves it more than both of them put together, and drayton deserves it more than the other three combined.

when people clearly don't care about preparing for a game (jennings), the stake of a player's psyche/confidence level (garner), the state of the team's future (purpura), or don't care about the product and just the dough received for putting said crappy product on the field and meddling in every bit of it (mclain)...they all deserved to be booed.

by mswank on Jul 30, 2007 4:50 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't usually boo players
of any team for baseball reasons. If they're making a scene about a call, or showing up the pitcher after a homerun or whatever, than I might do it, but that's never happened when I attend. I also don't have a problem with booing umpires for bad calls(or being out of position to make a call), though again, I don't do it personally.

I wouldn't have booed Jennings yesterday; I just don't see the point really. To each their own though.

by MG(vers. 2) on Jul 30, 2007 5:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Plus, there's context...
If it had been say, Backe, yesterday, I wouldn't have booed (had I been at the game). He's got history as an Astros gamer. Not so with Jennings. If I was at the game yesterday, I probably would've booed, and in so doing I would've been saying, "We gave up Willy T for this guy?!" Yeah, it wouldn't feel good to be Jennings yesterday, but he's privileged enough to get to make a very nice living (literally) in the public arena, performing as a modern-day gladiator. He's no doubt reveled in the cheers; yesterday went the other way. We mere mortals, for the price of admission, get to express our opinions in mass anonymity. While we might not call out Jennings one-on-one in the parking lot after a game - that could be dangerous -  as a throng, we shed our inhibition against being something other than nice. And with a performance like that first inning yesterday, anyone who bought a ticket is owed that little moment of catharsis.
Bring back Kevin Bass

by Austin Astroholic on Jul 30, 2007 9:05 PM CDT   0 recs

I just don't think you boo your team
Of course, you pay for the ticket then you can do whatever you want.  But that doesn't mean you should.  I'll boo Barry.  I might (a huge might) boo Beltran.  I won't boo Pujols.  I'll boo the yankees.  I'll boo the umps.  But I ain't booing the Astros.  It just pisses me off.  I think it's BS saying that you would be booing the trade.  If you were booing the trade then you would boo Jennings as soon as he walked on the field and everytime he came up to bat.  If you cheer the guy when he throws a good games(if it ever happens) then I just don't see you booing the trade.  Just my 2 cents of course.  Everyone is entitled to do what they want.

by TimStros on Jul 30, 2007 11:30 PM CDT   0 recs

No way. Never.
Not my team. That's all there is to it.
Release Jennings, Let Mo Pitch

by entropic soul on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 AM CDT   0 recs

booing your own team is blasphemy....
....thats something a philadelphia fan would do

COMPLETELY against booing your own team...
but really after 11 runs allowed in one inning- i would consider booing phil garner for leaving him that long in the first place. but i wouldnt actually do it... but i would definitely think about it...

seething inwardly is much better than being a jerk to your own team.

el caballo for el presidente

by tideturns on Jul 31, 2007 1:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Ensberg to Padres
Ensberg has been traded to the Padres for a player to be named and cash considerations, or just cash considerations.

by BTastros on Jul 31, 2007 4:13 PM CDT   0 recs

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