Lance Berkman is the New Jeff Bagwell
Don't believe me? Well... I have proof... well sort of. It's amazing how similar these two are/were in offensive categories. See below.

Here's what I've done. I took Lance Berkman's stats and calculated what his totals will be if he stays on his exact path and has the exact number of at bats that Bagwell has. Hopefully Lance won't have a career-ending injury like Baggy had and hopefully Berkman will get more at bats(Biggio has over 10K at bats by the way). Just some more useless information I calculated(all assuming Lance stays on the same path of production). Home run #500 will come in AB # 8298; 600 will come in at bat # 9960. His 3000th hit would come in AB # 9975(which would mean he'd become a member of the 600 HR club and 3000 hit club within a few weeks from each other) It would take Lance 15752 AB's before he matched Bagwell in stolen bases.
Here's a little bit of information just for reference. Assuming Lance plays 152 games a year(his average over the last 6 seasons) and averages his 3.4 AB's per game like he has so far in his career, here's how long it will take to reach milestone at bats.
AB # 5000 : 323 more games(2.1 more seasons)
AB # 7000 : 886 more games(5.8 more seasons)
AB # 9000 : 1475 more games(9.7 more seasons)
AB # 10,000 : 1768 more games(11.6 more seasons)
Lance is 31 right now.
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Park is important
by mastro on Jul 11, 2007 4:26 PM CDT reply actions
Yep
Discount three years for shoulder injury
Whatever - there's no doubt that Berkman is the hoss we expect to carry on Jeff Bagwell's leadership and production role on the team.
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 11, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't really
I didn't realize
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 11, 2007 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
if you want to see what Bags would have done
I hope he will...
If Berkman follows the examples set forth by Baggs and Craig Biggio, and stays with the 'Stros his entire career, he may very well equal Bagwell, but he'll have to stay healthy and productive. As I said, I hope he does.
I agree
Magnifies Biggio's Accomplishment
While looking at how many years it'd take Berkman to get to landmark at-bats, I saw over two seasons to get 5000 at bats; and suddenly I thought "Craig Biggio has 3000 hits and it'll more than 2 years for Berkman to have career at-bats twice that."
Then I noticed your projected hits for Berkman and the actual for Bagwell leave them 700 hits shy of Craig Biggio's 3000+.
We could go on, like Berkman would have to bat .300 for the rest of his career and even if did not go on the DL he'd have to play until he's 43 years old to approach 3000 hits.
And Berkman arguably is the best hitter on the team (okay -arguments can be made for Hunter Pence and Carlos Lee).
mind boggling.
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 11, 2007 5:07 PM CDT reply actions
Bill James' age and performance curves predict
G=1748
R=1123
H=1832
HR=392
RBI=1238
and James projects the standard error in his estimating at plus or minus 4%. His formulas would suggest that Berkman has very little, if any, chance of achieving the 2000 hit plateau. Unfortunately for those of us who really enjoy watching him, he has, according to James, only about 5 more years before he will have achieved 90% of his output. And this also assumes no major time lost to injuries.
It could
That is sad thought
After 2012 the only current Astros to still be on the team may be Hunter Pence and Orlando Palmeiro. Now I understand why the Mayan calendar ends in Decemebr 2012.
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 11, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The Charmed Baseball Life of One Orlando Palmeiro
Reminds me of my first real job after college. I traveled taking inventory. I'd take notes and when back in the office I'd try to fix communication and other problems folks in the field brought up.
A fellow who did the same job as I and shared an office with me made fun of me for doing that. There was an extra unused desk in the office. I pointed to it and said, "Bill, If you don't try to improve things you're no better than that desk."
Bill responded, "It's still here, isn't it?"
Like that desk, Orlando Palmeiro is still here.
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 12, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Good Work.
Why is that, I'm wondering?
Well, because Bagwell has a greater ab/g ratio than Berkman, 3.62 to 3.48. Bagwell averaged more at bats per game than Berkman.
OK, but why is that?
the first thing you think of is that Berkman walks (slightly) more than Bagwell did, so as walks go up, AB's go down.
They do, but Bagwell still holds an advantage in pa/g, where you account for the walks, and the hits by pitches and all the rest. The numbers there are closer, at 4.38 for Baggy to 4.20 for Puma, but still.
My thinking is that both players spent the majority of their careers batting third, so lineup position doesn't explain it.
The difference becomes even more pronounced when you consider that the Astros averaged fewer plate appearances overall during Bagwell's tenure than they have in Berkman's. The average yearly PA's for the Astros since 1999 when Berkman debuted has been 6308. During Bagwell's tenure, 1991 - 2005, they were 6134, a difference of 174. So all other things being equal, Berkman should have had 174/9 or approximately 20 MORE plate yearly appearances than Bagwell.
This might be all trivial BS, except for the one explanation I can think of: that Bagwell was a Gold Glove first baseman, and would not be removed late in games for a defensive replacement. We know Lance is a pretty good defensive player, but he's not Gold Glove either, and we know he is removed late in games, we see it.
In trying to figure the legacy of both players, this is probably something that should be factored in. Lance is an offensive force, but even beyond the park factors mentioned above, there are reasons to suggest Bags is the better player, and I hope you found this as interesting as I did, coz I know it was long.
Is Lance ever
is this more
by littlevisigoth on Jul 12, 2007 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the proof of your assertion
It's early to...
I don't think Berkman
And Astros compete in playoffs
Wonderful World
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 12, 2007 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions

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