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Matchup/Game Thread 2:05 CDT

Roy Oswalt Josh Fogg
6 - 4, 3.20 1 - 5, 4.53
First off some numbers, you tell me from whose statistical record they are culled:
W/L ERA BAA OPSa
2 - 3 5.91 .298 .819
Woody? Albers? The "old" Wandy?

Nope. It's Roy Oswalt on the road this year.

Astounding.

Good news is that reports of our demise in Colorado are exaggerated; yes, we were swept in Denver last year, but if Roy can get a win under his belt today, it will mark the second Astros series victory at Colorado in the last three years.

The other day, when I was feeling so grouchy from this team that I actually changed my signature, I and StrosBro had engaged in something of an argument regarding Ensberg.

Partially due the the fact that I already consider the season something of a lost cause, and partly because of the power upside, I feel that Ensberg should play just about every day.

StrosBro--a noted champion of Loretta's--had taken issue with this, and especially took issue with the fact that I called Ensberg above average defensively.

I fired back, even going so far as to say the defensive stats were for the end of the year, but little did I know then that Michael Lichtman would soon release his Ultimate Zone Ratings inseason for the first time.

I guess defensive stats ARE for the middle of the year.

The list is sorted by total runs saved, arrived at by summing runnings saved through superior range, runs saved through fielding errors (or lack thereof) and runs saved through throwing errors (yadda yadda yadda).

Ultimate Zone Rating, April and May
Name Pos Runs
Saved
(Range)
Runs Saved
(Fielding
Errors)
Runs Saved
(Other
Errors)
Total
Runs
Saved
G
Adam Everett 6 8 1 0 9 36
Jason Lane 9 1 1 0 2 17
Craig Biggio 4 1 1 0 2 31
Hunter Pence 8 1 0 0 1 31
Jason Lane 8 1 0 0 1 3
Lance Berkman 3 0 0 0 0 38
Chris Burke 4 0 0 0 0 1
Mark Loretta 3 0 0 0 0 1
Mark Loretta 5 -1 1 0 0 9
Mark Loretta 4 0 0 0 0 6
Orlando Palmeiro 9 -1 0 0 -1 3
Mike Lamb 3 -1 0 0 -1 4
Luke Scott 9 0 -1 0 -1 20
Lance Berkman 9 -1 0 0 -1 3
Brad Ausmus 3 0 -1 0 -1 1
Carlos Lee 7 -3 1 0 -2 33
Mark Loretta 6 -3 0 0 -3 4
Chris Burke 8 -3 0 0 -3 11
Mike Lamb 5 -2 -2 0 -4 15
Morgan Ensberg 5 -2 -3 0 -5 23

Gosh, Ensberg takes quite a hit. Not only has he rated out worse than Loretta at third, he's rated worse than Lamb.

He's the most harmful defensive player on the field!

This is quite a development; if I had said that Ensberg is above average defensively, I did so because he has been. But it's obviously not just his hitting that has fallen off.

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Sometimes Numbers Lie
Ensberg is better than Lamb and Loretta at third (Why is Loretta listed 4 or 5 times by the way?).

What hurts Ensberg's statistics is his range. He ranges far to his left (our right)and gets into awkward throwing positions or the ball careens off his glove. Lamb and Loretta do not have that range and thus don't into the high error potential situations. Ensberg is better than the other two on balls hit in the normal third base range and he is better charging to the plate and pitchers mound.

Note the second best fielder Astros have according to the list is Craig Biggio at second.

The runaway winner under virtually any formula is Adam Everett.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 12:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I answered my own question
The reason Mark Loretta is mentioned more than once is that statistics are calculated for each positon played and Loretta has played several positions.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 12:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That alone
makes me question these stats.  I can accept an argument that Morgan and Loretta are close, even though I disagree, but no way in hell is Lamb a better defender than Morgan.  The creator should go back to the drawing board, that outlier is bringing the system down.

by jbm on Jun 7, 2007 12:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check out my blog first before commenting
If Reggie Sanders is hitting .367, even though he has a career .267, does that mean that batting average is now useless?  His OBP is also 100 points higher than his career average.  No, it means he has 56 PA, and alot of things can happen in 56 PA.

UZR has the same issues.  Except with fielding stats, they are even less reliable than hitting stats.

Instead, look at the 2003-2007 data, rather than 2 months of 2007. Adam Everett is the best fielder in MLB over that time period.  UZR loves this guy.  Ensberg is also an above average 3B according to UZR, using 462 games. Biggio is a big minus in CF in that time period.

As for why Loretta appears multiple times, he played multiple positions.

I'd encourage you to download the data, made freely available, and look at the data yourself, rather then relying on someone giving up a snippet of two months.

by tangotiger on Jun 7, 2007 1:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough
Your point is well taken.  

by jbm on Jun 7, 2007 1:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That'll Teach Me to Try and Promote Someone's Work
Regardless of this blog's history of having looked at defensive stats, if you have an issue with someone looking at two months of your data then don't release them.

And don't attack someone who's doing you some PR.

That's common courtesy.

Sheesh.

Grouchy sonofabitch

by rastronomicals on Jun 7, 2007 1:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't know
enough about how these numbers are generated, but i'm real hard pressed to believe that Mo is our weakest defensive thirdbaseman.  i am surprised to look at the mlb site and see that he has seven errors on the season (guess i haven't been paying enough attention) and has the second lowest fielding percentage of position players on the club (Lamb has the lowest), but i'm going to jump on the sample size bandwagon here.

i haven't had as many moments with Loretta at third where i've wondered if Ensberg would make a play that maybe he didn't as i've had with Mark playing short, but i also don't remember Loretta making many spectacular plays that might indicate to me that he's an above average defensive third baseman, like Mo does.  i'm not being very scientific here, but i stand by my contention that Ensberg is still a substantial upgrade in the field over both his counterparts.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 1:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Small sample size
Actually, I didn't release them, MGL did.

And exactly who is it that I "attacked" and how did I attack that person?

If a website shows that the 4th worst ERA in MLB in 2006 as of June 1st was Andy Pettite:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2006/DL06012006.htm
(in 2005, he was 2nd best), would you tell that website to stop releasing the data so early?

I am simply cautioning against taking any conclusions based on 2 months of data in a vaccum.

by tangotiger on Jun 7, 2007 1:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One Answer
1) You said we should go to your blog for an explanation; I therefore assumed you were MGL.  Guess I was wrong on that, but then I remain unclear on your interest in the matter.

2)

I'd encourage you to download the data, made freely available, and look at the data yourself, rather then relying on someone giving up a snippet of two months.

Your tone clearly suggests that someone who would look at only 2 months ("a snippet") rather than 4 years or whatever is guilty of shoddiness if not intellectual laziness.  That is how you attacked me, despite the fact that I took no issues with the data.  I looked at two months because two months is what we're talking about.  Everyone's aware that Everett's a great shortstop, and that Ensberg has been a good third baseman.  The point I was bringing up had to do with this year, when one of them may not have been playing to his personal history.

3) I have no issues with the two months, you do!
Or at least that's what I took from

No, it means he has 56 PA, and alot of things can happen in 56 PA.  UZR has the same issues.  Except with fielding stats, they are even less reliable than hitting stats.
and the part about looking at all four years of data.
Grouchy sonofabitch

by rastronomicals on Jun 7, 2007 2:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tone
[quote]Your tone clearly suggests that someone who would look at only 2 months ("a snippet") rather than 4 years or whatever is guilty of shoddiness if not intellectual laziness.  That is how you attacked me, despite the fact that I took no issues with the data.
[/quote]

I'd caution you to be able to infer someone's tone from what he writes, and even more strongly state that it "clearly suggests" anything.  While you can infer what you said, it's certainly not "clear".  One can also infer that I was simply telling people to be cautious.  Both sides need to give the benefit of the doubt.

Using 2 months of anything, without referring to the historical numbers, in order to make conclusions, is not appropriate.  It'd be like me saying that Andy Pettite last year at this time should have been released because he sports one of the worst ERAs in the league.  

UZR loves Everett, likes Ensberg, and doesn't care for Biggio.

by tangotiger on Jun 7, 2007 3:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw this data...
on Tango's blog, but I got to it through a link from another blog.  The initial link was a posting by MGL in which he cautioned anyone from putting too much stock in the early UZR results because of sample size.  He said that the results were likely to be misleading for some players.  I don't think that cautionary note was at the point where I saw the data though...so I could easily see your point, in terms of relying upon it.  Obviously, 9 games for Loretta at 3b is a real sample size issue.

by clack on Jun 7, 2007 7:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

littlevisigoth
UZR agrees with you, and the Fans Scouting Report agrees with you.

I don't think anyone would disagree with you.

by tangotiger on Jun 7, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On to the game
Apparently Garner believes in Mo, cause he's starting at third today.  Loretta's at 2B, and Burke doesn't take anybody else's spot in this one, so maybe Garner's typical itch to thrust a newly brought up playing into the lineup is taking a break and the move was more about ditching Lane than getting MLB AB's from Burke.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks
for moving on.

I agree with you on the Burke front.  Maybe Gar was tired of looking at Jason's mug and decided to let someone else look at it instead.

Anyone doing PBP?

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 2:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PBP
I'd rather not, but i'll be listening at work for the whole game, so i can chime in or do inning summaries if nobody else is willing.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineups
Us
Loretta, 2B
Pence, CF
Berkman, 1B
Lee, LF
Scott, RF
Ensberg, 3B
Everett, SS
Ausmus, C
Oswalt, P

Them
Taveras, CF
Matsui, 2B
Holliday, LF
Helton, 1B
Atkins, 3B
Hawpe, RF
Tulowitzki, SS
Iannetta, C
Fogg, P

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone listening to the radio?
Seems the birds are louder than the fans. heh

by matt s on Jun 7, 2007 2:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 1st
Loretta strikes out

Pence doubles over Willy's head

Berkman grounds out to first, Pence to third

Lee goes down swinging a full count, stranding Hunter at third

As the radio guys said, at least we got a baserunner in the first frame.  how long has is been since we did that?

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 1st
Oh boy.  Not a good sign when Willy T leads off with a dinger.  What's going on with Roy lately?  He hasn't been quite as out of character as Lance, but he hasn't been our shut down Ace.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matsui
tries to drop a bunt, but is thrown out by Roy.

Holliday just misses an oppo HR foul, but takes the next pitch to LF and stretches a single to a double and apparently just avoids a tag from Loretta on an in-time throw from Lee.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Helton
draws a four-pitch walk

Atkins draws a five-pitch walk.  bases loaded for Hawpe, with one out.  not good.

Hawpe pops to Loretta.  infield fly rule in effect.  big out.

Tulowitzki grounds to Mo, who beats Helton to third for the FC.

seven Rockies bat, but only one touches home plate.  Roy throws 24 pitches, only 13 for strikes.  hopefully he settles in from here.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy Cow Bases Loaded
Turned on the game to see Roy standing there with the bases loaded around him and two outs, and the score is 1-0.

 Thankfully, defensive phenom Morgan Ensberg handles the grounder for the third out.

Shaky start.

 Now I must try to get some work done (with the game on in the background of course).

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 2:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Work
is so inconvenient.  

Hopefully Roy will get himself together.  At least we have managed to tie the game.  

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adam Everett
grounds to third, driving in Luke Scott.

Game tied 1-1

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 2:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 2nd
Scott leads off with a liner single to right.

Mo draws a four-pitch walk.  Two on for Everett.

on a 1-2 count, a wild pitch advances both runners.

Everett rolls it to Atkins at third, slow enough to score Scott, and almost slow enough to get an infield hit.  Mo also moves up on the bang-bang play.  nice work to put it in play and get a run across.

Brad grounds to Matsui, who looks Mo back to third before throwing on to Helton.

Roy flies out to short right to end it, but not before the score is tied 1-1.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 2nd
internet explorer shit the bed on me briefly, but i didn't miss much.

Roy battles back from 3-0 to get the first K of the game on Ionnetta.

Fogg pops out to Lance in foul ground.  good work to keep ducks off the pond for the power-hitting center fielder.

Willy grounds out to the mound.  quick 1-2-3.  hopefully more of that to come.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lance.
Bomb.

Drives in Pence, who'd reached on an infield single.

3 - 1 Stros

Grouchy sonofabitch

by rastronomicals on Jun 7, 2007 2:54 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 3rd
Pence is unbelieavable....
Is Lance back 2 run homer

by jano4 on Jun 7, 2007 2:54 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Team Cycle
Good to see speed (single), No Doubter (homerun) , and power alley line drives (double and triple) in the third.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 2:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 3rd
Loretta grounds out to SS, filling in nicely for Biggio at 2b and in the leadoff spot.

Pence sends Tulowitzki deep into the hole at short and beats the throw for yet another multi-hit game (somebody want to throw out the absurd stat?)

Berkman promptly launches a bomb to right!  3-1 good guys.  maybe the recent success really does portend a bit of a turnaround for our struggling hero. (HR measured at 421 ft, btw)

Carlos misses a back to back jack by a matter of feet down the left field line.  after a few more foul balls, he doubles to deep left center.  some good solid contact this inning so far.  let's keep it up Luke.

Scott triples into the gap in right center, scoring Lee.  no throw from the cutoff man.  Taveras playing him shaded to left for some reason.  4-1 Stros!

Mo hits it hard, but on the ground right to short.  Luke can't score.

Everett flies to deep center.

Phil quipped that the goal line was 8 runs last night.  well, after three we're half way there.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 2:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 3rd
anybody want to take over?

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm willing
but not able.  I'll try and chime in when possible.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matsui
flies out

Holliday doubles to center, cut off well by Pence but the throw is just late of the runner

Helton K's looking and doesn't like the call (probably goes without saying)

Atkins grounds out to Mo to end the threat.

still 4-1 Astros.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Fourth
Ausmus Singles, Oswalt sacrifices, Loretta singles, Pence pops to first in foul teritory; Berkman flies out. No runs , 2 hits , no errors

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks
this whole work thing interferes with keeping up with the action.

shame Pence couldn't come through there.  never can have too many runs in this park.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn' t it though
I'm listening and looking back mainly for replays.
I saw the double past Ensberg in the bottom of the fourth - I can say for certain Ensberg was playing way off third and the ball went between him and third base for a double. The runner later came home to score but I cannot tell you who the runner was, nor exactly how he scored (there was a hit involved I know that).

4-2 Astros and inning is over.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 3:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahahaha
Fogg actually walked to the third base coach to figure out what he was signing for his at-bat.

Dave shouted from the broadcaster's box down to him, "Hey buddy, you're bunting!"

That's too funny.

by pel on Jun 7, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 4
Hawpe K's

Tulowitzki (how old is this guy, he looks about 12--does everyone look younger when you're getting older?) hits a double.

Iannetta (how the heck is this name pronounced?) singles, the kid on 2nd scores.

Fogg grounds out to Wee E.  Two away.

Willy T up and out as he grounds out to Loretta.

Roy is at 67 pitches.  We lead 4-2.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay, i'm done
thanks for chipping in and i'll just comment from time to time.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 4th
Rox get one back on a single from Iannetta, scoring Tulowitzki, who had a one-out double to the gap in left.

Fogg sacs the runner to 2nd, before Willy grounds to Loretta to end it.

4-2 Stros.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carlos Lee
Steals his Fourth Base of the year. I would have thought he has more than that. I must remember his steals more than most.

 Astros're scoring like crazy, thanks to hitting phenoms Everett and Ausmus

6-2 and inning continues

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be honest
I thought he had more than 4.  

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stolen bases
are an understated part of his game.  he's had double digit stolen bases in 6 of the last 7 seasons (averaging 13/yr) and is sitting around 75% for his career.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

big 2-out double
from Brad, scoring both Lee and Everett.  

hmm, Berkman coming around, Scott heating up, Pence and Lee maintaining, production from the bottom order guys... hopefully this isn't just an aberation and some of this can stick around for a little while.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be so sweet
to get hot and win the series in Chicago. Not to get ahead of myself, of course, first things first.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they've been lousy
lately as well, so it could be good timing for us.  it definitely would be nice, since we were abused by our AL opponents last year.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a new guy
in my office who is from Chicago and a big Sox fan.  He wants to wager on the series, you know, buy me a coffee or something but I'm guessing the stakes might need to be higher.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 5
Caballo singles to center.

Luke flies out to Willy.

Mo K's.

Wee E is at the plate and Caballo steals 2nd.  Couple pitches later, E singles.  Men on the corners for Ausmus.

And he doubles to center.  Woot Woot.  Wee E follows Caballo round the bases we get two more on the board.

Roy batting and Ks.

We lead 6-2.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 5
Matsui facing Roy and he flies out to Luke.

Holliday steps in and pops out to Lance.

Helton grounds out to Wee E.

That was easy work for our Roy.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adam Everett;'s UZR rating
just went up on a nice play on a grounder about 12 feet behind second and a sure throw to first.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As Berkman bats
Crowd all looking to the right instead of watching Lance bat,apparently to see how hurt a vendor is who got hit earlier when Lance's bat flew into the seats.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 3:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the detail
I'm watching gameday and glancing over my shoulder at the TV so totally missed the vendor incident.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 6
Jorge Julio takes over for Fogg and I'm guessing Rastro would be pleased.  

Loretta grounds out to Matsui.

Hunter boy strikes out.

Berkman fouls a ball off and loses his bat in the process. He hops around a little but he's ok.  On a 2-2 count, he checks his swing and the appeal goes to 3rd but the ump is scared of the growling Puma and says no way he went on that one.  He walks.

Caballo pops up to Tuloyoungboy to end the inning.

We lead 6-2.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 6
Atkins walks.

Hawpe sends Hunter to the wall, a little too close to the wall.

Tuloyoungboy sends one to right and Luke goes back but no dice, that's gone.  

Brownie says there's action in the bullpen.  Roy is at 90 pitches.

Iannetta singles into right.  

Spilborghs is batting for Julio and he k's.

Willy bunts, Mo fields and throws to Berkman but Willy is safe.  That was awfully close.

Matsui lines to Everett.

And we escape relatively unscathed, at least still leading 6-4.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 4:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Dreaded Bottom of the Seventh Inning
has been the bane of the Astros this series and the last road trip. Just as I started getting nervous anticipating it, the bottom  of the Sixth inning has gotten nasty.

I hope Lidge pitches the Seventh.

 Meanwhile this Sixth inning is getting sticky. Even the first out was hard hit (about 412 feet fly out to Pence in Center).

Phew - Adam Everett's UZR goes up another notch.

Two Rockies runs scored, but could have been a lot worse.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 4:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 7
Tom Martin is pitching for the Rox.

Luke flies out to right.

Mo up and he grounds out to Tuloyoungboy.

Wee E drops a ball into left.  

And Ausmus gets the third out with a fly ball to right.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 4:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 7
Shouldn't Roy have been taken out?  I agree with Joe in B'ham, Lidge might've been good/better to see here.  

Instead, Holliday singles to center.

And now Roy leaves and Trever Miller trots out to the mound.  I think he scares us fans more than opposing hitters...but I would love to be wrong.

Helton up and he flies out to Luke.  Ok, I was wrong.

Trever gives way to Qualls...

Atkins in and he ks.  Two away.

Hawpe up and singles to center.  We had a shot at getting Holliday but he made it back.  

1st and 2nd, C'mon Qualls.

Tuloyoungboy works the count 3-1 then grounds to Wee E who makes a great throw to Berkman.

We managed out of that one.  Just.

Still 6-4

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 4:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roy O has 105 pitches
and after a rough 6th, he's back out there for the dreaded 7th inning.

I've got bad vibes.

First batter immediately singles - um um um.

Garner making a switch. That's good. Now who's coming in? Please be Brad Lidge.

Arghhhh- it's Trever Miller

First batter easy fly to right  -- that's good

and Trever Miller is out. Chad Qualls in.

Strikes out Atkins - 2 outs - I took a quick breath, and smiled a little - just maybe we'll get out of it.

Single to center. Runners on first and second.

Tuklowitzki batting -- has has hot series -- 2 for 3 today -- a double and Home run -

This time grounds to Adam Everett for OUT THREE

I'd be happpy if they ended the game right here. We've gotten nine innigs of entertainment. Why play the last two innings.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 4:24 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I need..
a Grand Slam for Lee (to take the MLB RBI lead) and for Pence to get enough AB to qualify for the batting average title.

by entropic soul on Jun 7, 2007 4:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 8
Lee's buddy, Manny Corpas, takes the mound.

Biggio batting for Qualls and he ks.  

Loretta up and he walks.

Hunter up and he ks.

Berkman up.  Wouldn't it be nice to see him get on here (obviously) and see Caballo step in, see what happens between the Panamanians?  And as I finish typing, he lines out to Matsui.  Should've kept my thoughts quiet.

We lead 6-4.

And I surrender my PBP duties.  Volunteers?

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Biggio in that situation
is clearly just to get him another AB.  i can't imagine a sane argument for him being the most logical first guy off the bench with OP, Lamb, Burke, and Munson over there (okay maybe not Munson, leading off with a lead).

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wind whips up
and a high pop to center twists Hunter Pence in knots, but he manages to snare it. Expect ESPN to show this catch on Baseball Tonight

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many?
Pitches does Lee have to get hit with before a rockie is ejected?

by entropic soul on Jun 7, 2007 4:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

missed it
how bad was it when Lee got hit, and was there any reaction from him, the bench, the ump, the crowd, etc?

Wheels is certain not to hit anybody trying to protect a two-run lead in the 9th.  they've got to come to Houston later in the month.  wonder if anything spills over then.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Barely touched
No reaction anywhere best I could see.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 4:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom 9th
crap. Matsui leads off with a bloop double, with the meat of the order coming up.

c'mon Wheels, we need to hang on to this one!

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 4:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SHIT!
Holliday singles to score Matsui.

one on, no outs.

please, Danny.  we've been talking about how you've been shaky, but haven't blown any saves.  don't make us change our conversation.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 5:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Double-SHIT!!
Helton bloops to left, Lee can't make the play.  1st and 3rd, STILL NO OUTS.

C'MON WHEELS!!!  STRIKE THIS MOFO OUT!!!

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 5:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he walks Atkins
to put the winning run at 2b.

win or lose, Garner's going to field some questions about the closer role after this one.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 5:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed
and to be honest, it's a valid question.

Game over.  We lose.  

Shite.

by callmenis on Jun 7, 2007 5:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah
but you KNOW Phil's not going to make a change just yet.  it's not his style.

of the three relief innings, the guy out of the pen that's throwing the best right now pitched in the least critical inning.

SHIT, SHIT, SHIT, SHIT, SHIT!!!

what a crappy way to lose.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 5:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carlos' baserunning lapse
may have hurt the Astros in the Ninth.

With one out and Lee on first, ball hit to short, Second base mishandles the catch and has a hard time picking up the ball. Lee anticipated a clean catch and stopped running and started jogging off to center field to avoids the relay toss before he realized he had a chance to make second, but too late. Instead of two on, one out , it was one on and two out.

Adam Everett walked , but instead of bases loaded one out , it was two on two outs, and Ausmus stikes out to end the inning

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 4:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, please no
Rockies score on two hits. No outs yet.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 5:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lidge...
I think it's time for Lights Out Lidge to return...

by blakemusn on Jun 7, 2007 5:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh no
Fly to Carlos Lee hits his glove as he dives for the ball and flips out about 20 yards toward second. Runners on first and third with no outs.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 5:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tie Game One Out
Long fly to right. Runner on third easily scores to tie the game 6-6.

Runners on the corners with one out.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 5:10 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blown Save
and look at that ERA
Grouchy sonofabitch

by rastronomicals on Jun 7, 2007 5:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

walk off single.
Astros lose 7-6.

I'm sick to my stomach.

 Ths is tough to take.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 7, 2007 5:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bring back Lidge
gotta see if he has it. Wheeler has always been a little shaky. Let's hope they don't take 2 weeks to make the decision.

by jano4 on Jun 7, 2007 5:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know it's not justice
but i seriously doubt they'll do anything until Wheels either has another shaky start, or he's had a few appearances in a row and isn't avaiable or something like that.

maybe i'm wrong.  maybe Phil will surprise me and react with some desperation.

by littlevisigoth on Jun 7, 2007 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does it make much difference...
whether Lidge or Wheeler is closing?  Wheeler has to get it together, no matter where he is pitching, or we have problems.  By that I mean, Lidge won't close many games if Wheeler is blowing it in the 8th.  After this series, I'm thinking the best system is for Wheeler/Lidge to share closer duties.  If Lidge continues being "lights out," than the decision to use him in the 8th or 9th is based upon which innings looks to be tougher (e.g., heart of the lineup coming up); in other words, give him the higher leverage situations, regardless if it is the 9th.  I doubt Garner will use that kind of system, though.

by clack on Jun 7, 2007 7:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 9th inning...
I felt that Carlos Lee should have caught the Helton liner into LF, and I think most LFers would have.  My initial reaction was, "why isn't a defensive replacement in LF?"  And then I realized we don't have much in the way of OF defensive replacements.  Burke has more range than Lee, but a much weaker arm, which would hurt on plays at the plate.  In any event, I think the Astros would have won the game if that ball was caught.  The tying runner wouldn't advance to 3d, and the next flyball wouldn't be a sacrifice.  The infield wouldn't be playing in, and Everett easily gets to the grounder.  (OK, I'll quit the masochistic recounting of "ifs, ands, and buts")

by clack on Jun 7, 2007 7:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn't Lee
make a horrible play in the outfield yesterday as well on a diving play?

by TimStros on Jun 7, 2007 8:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SH*T, DAMN, F*#K
Wake up and come to work on Friday (which is good) and see that kind of loss the Stros! Just read all the PBP (thanks for that) and see Wheeler laid an egg in the 9th (he didn't even get one out - Geez!). Yeah, maybe time to move Lidge back in there or at least split the closer duties. Oswalt again without a win to show for his efforts (even though he gave up 4 runs, he battled and that's OK for Colorado). All round, (as Joe in Birmingham said), I also feel sick to my stomach. This series was a possible sweep and we still found a way to lose 2 out 3!

Sigh...Go Astros!

SeoulStro

Bagwell for the Hall of Fame!

by SeoulStro on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What really makes it worse
for me, is that how handily Lidge went through the 8th... That's a little salt for the wound

by Stros Bro on Jun 7, 2007 8:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bungled baserunning top ninth
Don't forget Carlos Lee's not taking advantage of a dropped ball in the top of the ninth, and making an out when being safe was there for the taking. Extra runs in the top of the ninth may have changed the dynamics in the bottom of the ninth.

by Joe in Birmingham on Jun 8, 2007 12:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wheeler ....
did get an out in the 9th...on the sac fly.

On reflection, Wheeler did have some bad luck, and he wasn't giving up terribly hard hit balls.   But he didn't have his strike out pitch working, and he got into situations where he needed a strikeout badly.

by clack on Jun 8, 2007 7:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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