30 somethings
Was listening to the radio (am 610) and they made a comment that kind of made sense to me. How many players enter the majors in their late 20's or early 30's from minor leagues and actually produce as a major league hitter. I mean in our right field we have Luke Scott, 29 and Jason Lane, 30 who are both trying to make a huge impact in the Astros organization while we have Hunter Pence who's about to turn 24 kicking ass and taking names. It would be sad to see us keep him in the minors for too much longer.
Are there any notable major leaguers who entered at the age of 28+ that truly impacted their team? I can't really think of any but I never really put much thought into it before now either so...
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There's one notable major leaguer...
I screwed around at B-R.com for a bit and found Smead Jolley, who OPS+'d 112 in the 30's and didn't play till he was 28. Ernie Koy, whose name I feel as though I should recognize(and who was played at UT apparently), also didn't play till 28 and had 3 good years for the Dodgers. Ken Williams was 29 in 1919 and put up some pretty good numbers after that. For an Astros connection, Melvin Mora didn't get started till he was 28, and didn't hit that well till he was 31.
So yeah, there's not much of them, and many probably had special circumstances preventing them from reaching the majors till they were older. But I think that might apply to Luke somewhat as well--he was drafted at 24 I believe, and I think he got injured in Cleveland. There's almost no HOFer's with late starts, but that makes sense since the HOF loves counting stats so much. And anyway, we don't need Luke and Lane to be HOFers. But in general, starting your players at age 28+ isn't a huge recipe for success. :)
by MG(vers. 2) on Mar 26, 2007 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by MG(vers. 2) on Mar 26, 2007 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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What's more important than what Pence did in 28 ST ABs is what Scott did in 214 ML ABs last year, and that's post an OPS over 1.000. Only nine other players with as many at bats posted an OPS over 1.000: Chipper Jones, Jermaine Dye, Jim Thome, Lance Berkman, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Ryan Howard, Travis Hafner, and Albert Pujols. That's pretty good company. I'm not saying that Scott will be the next Ryan Howard, but he doesn't have to be. Edgar Martinez numbers would be pretty sweet.
As for Lane... well, if it weren't for the playing time argument, I'd put Pence on the team before Lane. Hopefully Lane can at least be an effective bat off the bench for us. I'd much rather they let Scott struggle a little in the starting role than jump into a straight platoon situation. We'll see.
by littlevisigoth on Mar 27, 2007 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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by TimStros on Mar 27, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
i do get a little frustrated with all the radio call-in hosts and callers that don't understand why Pence isn't immediately their starting center fielder, or right fielder for that matter.
by littlevisigoth on Mar 27, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan freel
Also, Ryan Howard will be 28 right after the season in November. He was held back till he was closer to 26 than 25.
by Shamus on Mar 27, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are many valuable players...
I don't think the earliness in bringing players up determines whether they will be stars. I think we may have a tendency to confuse cause with effect. If a player is good enough to be a star, it becomes evident early on, and they are called up. Later call ups took longer to develop, for whatever reason, and can be useful players, but generally were never talented enough to be stars. IMO.
So long as we realize that their ceilings may be limited, there is nothing wrong with late bloomers. I think many guys in this category get classified as AAAA players, because of their age, and never get a chance to play. Bill James suggested that most of these older AAAA players really could be valuable ML players, but got labeled and never really were given the chance.
I also think it is fair to say that drafting college players has become more in vogue in recent years, and that this practice tends to extend the debut ages for players nowadays compared to 20 or 30 years ago.
by clack on Mar 28, 2007 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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