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4th and 5th Starter Spots

Okay, we're getting close to halfway through the Spring Training games.  The fat is starting to get cut a bit and the candidates for starting positions are starting to stretch out their appearances.  We still have single digit innings from everybody in the hunt, but does anybody have any feelings about who's beginning to establish themselves on the inside track for those last two starting spots?

Wandy seems to be doing nothing to eliminate Garner's lean towards him, although we'll find a little more out today.  Sampson and Nieve have both been solid.  If anybody's going any direction, I'd say maybe Albers is inching towards the rear of the pack.  Do we really think Moehler is a serious candidate?

Astacio* 0.00 ERA, 5.0 IP, 1.00 WHIP, 5.40 BB/9, 7.20 K/9
Sampson 3.18 ERA, 5.2 IP, 1.41 WHIP, 4.76 BB/9 7.94 K/9
Moehler 3.38 ERA, 8.0 IP, 1.13 WHIP, 3.38 BB/9 6.75 K/9
Nieve 4.50 ERA, 8.0 IP, 1.50 WHIP, 4.50 BB/9, 7.88 K/9
Albers 5.14 ERA, 7.0 IP, 2.00 WHIP, 6.43 BB/9 11.57 K/9
Wandy 5.19 ERA, 8.2 IP, 1.85 WHIP, 8.31 BB/9 6.23 K/9

If the numbers improve or even stay the same, it looks like we'll be able to feel alright about what we've got for options.  All the walk rates are a bit high, but you'd hope that's something that would improve as ST progresses (hopefully bringing the WHIP down with it).  Albers' K-rate shows that he's got the stuff.  If he can do a better job of keeping guys off, he might return to the pack.

To early?  I dunno.  I'm looking for things to talk about.

Lastly, what's with Woody?  Has he been pitching in minor league games that aren't showing up on the stat page?  Why does he only have two innings so far?

*added in Astacio, as per comments. also updated Nieve and Wandy's numbers. i guess if we're gonna credit Moehler for his small sample size numbers, we need to do likewise for Zeke. i've always been a fan of Zeke's stuff. if he can improve his control, his ceiling is heigher than Wandy or Moehler for sure.

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I am not sure why they are hiding Williams.  Probably not because of a new pitch he has decided to use at 41.
What I am waiting for is when the guys start to go 3-4 innings.  I expect location will come with some consistent mound time and cut down on the walks - I hope it does.  With Wandy not playing his way out of the 4th spot I think the other guys will have to fight it out for number 5.  We'll see how they do in the couple weeks.  
I am a little worried that Lidge is working on to many 'other' pitchers.  I was ok with that 97 mph fastball and sick slider in 05.  If he gets that back the other pitches aren't even needed.
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by Burford on Mar 15, 2007 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

After Thursday's spring game....
Neither Wandy nor Nieve helped themselves. Garner supposedly lectured the pitchers earlier this week about the need to cut down on walks at this stage of training.  The Astros' pitchers had a ton of walks today, and Wandy had more than his share.  Nieve seemed hittable.  Both Wandy and Nieve were hurt by misplays from their fielders, however.  I have some skepticism that Zeke Astacio has a shot at the rotation, but with his zero ERA, I think you should put him on your list of candidates.  Garner usually mentions his name when he reels off the list of candidates.
Wandy's ERA now sits at about his career ML ERA.  But I doubt that his performance today hurts his chances too much.  I think his performance over the next couple of weeks will be the most important.
Personally, I would like to see Sampson keep pushing his ERA down over the next couple of weeks so that it will be difficult to keep him out of the rotation.  But my gut instinct is that he will be put in the bullpen.
Last year about this stage, I thought that Astacio would be the No. 5 starter and that Buchholz had about played himself out of a position.  Then Buchholz went on a dominating string of outings in the second half of spring training in which he was untouchable.  Is anyone on the current list capable of doing that?

by clack on Mar 15, 2007 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Capable of a dominating string?
Maybe Albers.  Sampson, yes.  But I agree with you that Phil seems hell bent on keeping Sampson in the bullpen so that he can go to him when the wheels fall off the 4th or 5th guy.  

Here's a thought -- sometimes, the way the schedule works out with off days, etc., the rotation gets out of order.  If No. 4 and 5 were not pitching on back to back days (i.e., Roy moves up a day or Woody moves back a day), Sampson could get in 3-4 innings each time the No 4 and 5 guys start, with a day or two in between each outing.  Maybe that's Gar's plan...

by beeleever on Mar 16, 2007 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

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I agree that Sampson could help take pressure off the kids. Just knowing you only have to throw five innings is a big boost. We might see all they have, which is a good thing at this point in their careers.

(It also keeps the workload down.)

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