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About Roger Clemens' Lawyer

I'm pretty sure Roger Clemens took steroids.  If someone like George Mitchell says he did, that's gonna carry a lot of weight with me.

But seeing Clemens go on in high escutcheon and in withering self-righteousness over the last week or so, I have to say I'm a little less sure than I was the day the Report came out.

If Clemens were playing a game of Texas Hold 'em, you'd say he's gone all in.  Which in its own way is worthy of at least some respect. It's easy to say that Clemens is bluffing, but now, you have to recognize he's gone and bet it all on a single hand.

People would have forgiven the Rocket if he'd meekly given some kind of bullshit apology like Pettitte went and did.  For the good of the team, whatever the fuck.  But if Clemens is subsequently found to be lying now, even as he makes his angry point-by-point denials, even as he does the interview with Mike Wallace, even as he hires Rusty Hardin, well, people will never ever forgive him.

He'll go down in baseball history as a villain worse than Bonds.

The New York Times today has an excellent profile of Hardin, and I gotta say after reading it, I'm even more interested in how all this turns out than I was before.

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Clemens
His hand looks like shit... but who knows.  He better be telling the truth is all I'm saying.  

Hopefully he is, but honestly, if I had to put my money on it...  I'd say he probably used.  

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2007 12:32 PM CST   0 recs

On another note
The Tejada trade is now 39% for and 45% against...
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2007 12:33 PM CST   0 recs

He was already under control....
the Astros are just signing him to a multi year deal.  If he happens to have a very productive bullpen season, the Astros won't have to worry about paying him $6 million.

by clack on Dec 28, 2007 7:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Former Astros...
Off topic, but here is a Dec. 28 article, Minneapolis Star Tribune, in which the Twins' GM talks about former Astros' Lamb and Everett:

"Earlier this month, the Twins signed two free agents from Houston: shortstop Adam Everett (one year, $2.8 million) and third baseman Mike Lamb (two years, $6.6 million)...More than anything, our manager [Ron Gardenhire] wants stability at shortstop, and Everett catches the ball as well as anybody," Smith said. "And our reports on Lamb always have been good."

The way Smith sees it, Gardenhire will have depth and options with his new infield.

"We have four players for three positions," he said. "We have two righthanded hitters [Harris, Everett], a lefty [Lamb] and a switch-hitter [Nick Punto]. I'm not worried about our infield." "

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/12905596.html

by clack on Dec 29, 2007 11:09 AM CST   0 recs

BOYCOTT the Astros
I'm pruposing fans don't buy tickets or go to the Sox and Yank series here at Minute Maid. The Astors are putting those teams on a pedestal by charging 50% to 145% over already raised ticket prices.

by Joel on Dec 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST   0 recs

Market demand sets the price
Astros know that.

People with more money than I have will buy the tickets, but the tickets will be bought (and maybe scalped).

Save your boycott for a more achieveable goal.

Keeping Warm During Hot Stove Season

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 29, 2007 12:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

More Clemens Stuff
I guess McNamee may sue Clemens if he goes through with 60 Minutes.  McN must have something pretty convincing on him.  story below:

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/29/mcnamee-may-file-suit-against-clemens/

by em3 on Dec 29, 2007 12:50 PM CST   0 recs

Don't know if Clemens is right or not....
but I will withhold judgement until Clemens and his legal team have a chance to make a thorough response.  I don't know what evidence may be available to exonerate him (or at least support his story), but he is entitled to some time to gather any such evidence which exists.  That seems like the fair approach to me.  

However, if Clemens intends to rely solely on attacking McNamee's character, I don't think that alone will be sufficient to persuade most people.  I have no doubt that McNamee is a shady guy, but that won't prove innocence.  And perhaps nothing is out there to settle the dispute.  If Clemens is innocent, he doesn't have an easy task ahead of him.

Hardin might welcome a lawsuit by McNamee.  It might provide a forum to cross examine the accuser.  A lawsuit with Clemens as the plaintiff would be a worse option for him, because defamation suits are hard to win if the defamed person is a public figure.

I notice that the reader posts on the chronicle blogs are full of venom toward Clemens; people blame him for not responding quick enough, talking through his agent or lawyer, talking on a video, undergoing questioning by a "biased" Mike Wallace, etc.  What I don't see are posts by these readers asking why Miguel Tejada has yet to publicly respond in any fashion to the Mitchell Report allegations. Do these same fans give Tejada a free ride because he is now the "savior" for the 08 Astros team?  Tejada has yet to appear in Houston for an Astros press conference.  Is he waiting to figure out how he will respond to questions about the steroids allegations?  I understand that Clemens is a much bigger name, but he has been more of a lightning rod on this issue than Tejada.  

by clack on Dec 29, 2007 5:02 PM CST   0 recs

Interesting points
I agree that Clemens' attacks on McNamee would be insufficient to convince most people, especially given their long-term relationship and the fact that Clemens publicly vouched for him last year after the (now known to be false) LA Times article came out.  If the guy is such a sleaze (and he is), why did Clemens use him for so long?  So, okay, maybe he really is a good trainer, but there's a bunch of good trainers out there.  I found it inexplicable, especially, to learn that Clemens continued to use McNamee's services after the Yankees fired him over the rape allegations.  Seriously, how does someone with four boys justify keeping someone like that on his personal staff?  What does that teach?  Clemens either showed ongoing poor judgment, or McNamee had something on him, IMHO.

And speaking of poor judgment, who writes CHECKS for their PEDs?  Good grief.  But while the Tejada trade has not been as polarizing a presence on the Chronblogs as Clemens, there have been a few people weighing in negatively.  If I had to guess, I'd suppose that alot of fans care less fervently about Tejada's past than Clemens' simply because Tejada hasn't actually played for us yet.  Emotionally, he's not really an Astro yet. . . nor has he played games with us for years as to whether he'll play or not, nor has he bolted for the Yankees because we would only give him three months instead of four, etc., etc.  Clemens just has a lot more baggage with the fans, I think.

And finally, hee!

by Danyah on Dec 29, 2007 9:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

A breast-taking....
er, I mean, breathtaking poster.  LOL.

by clack on Dec 29, 2007 9:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

People aren't
holding this as harshly against Tejada because he's isn't(at least not yet) a first ballot hall of famer; the greatest right hander of this generation.  I don't think it has anything to do with him not playing here yet.  
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 29, 2007 10:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Escutcheon?
Think you mean "in high dudgeon." But I understood you anyway.

So, Clemens is taking the Lance Armstrong route, eh? Believing as I do that Armstrong was a doper, I've often wondered if his tremendous charity work might not be a tactic to mitigate the damage to his image should his past one day catch up to him. The more denials a guilty person promulgates, the worse he/she looks when the truth comes to light, Marion Jones being a great recent example.

Perhaps the Clemens Foundation should kick it into high gear.

Wait'll next year. Or maybe the year after that or the year after that.

by Austin Astroholic on Jan 1, 2008 1:37 AM CST   0 recs

Off-topic here,
but how about something sorta light and fun?

by Danyah on Jan 1, 2008 8:18 AM CST   0 recs

Hey
It's what Joe in Birmingham said.

by Danyah on Jan 1, 2008 3:28 PM CST   0 recs

Simpsons fans?
Pretty funny article here about homerism in baseball! ha  

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/01/introducing-the-homer-award/

Anyway, this Clemens/McNamee "war" is gonna be interesting.  I think it ends in Clemens being utterly disgraced in public, but I am hoping the exact opposite.

by ET90210 on Jan 1, 2008 6:15 PM CST   0 recs

Santana trade talks
Is Hank Steinbrenner on sedatives?  The things this guy comes out with sometimes....

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/03/hank-steinbrenner-yankees-still-involved-in-santana-trade-talk s/

by ET90210 on Jan 3, 2008 9:55 AM CST   0 recs

"banned"
I guess we'll have to wait for the interview to air to get the complete wording, but from that article, he swears he's never used any "banned" substances.  This may be a technicality: misusing HGH would have been illegal, but wasn't "banned" by baseball until 2005.

by Xan on Jan 3, 2008 5:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

He should have kept his mouth shut
IMHO, anyway.  Unless he tries to say that McNamee shot the lidocaine directly into one of his joints (which is a bad, BAD idea unless one has the ability and training to follow sterile technique), then he just looks like a dumbass.  Shooting lidocaine into his "buttocks," which is where the trainer claims to have injected Clemens, would achieve nothing except make that one spot on your butt numb.  Clemens supposedly put Icy-Hot in his jock strap to rev himself up, so why would he need a numb spot on his ass?  And unless he has a diagnosis of pernicious anemia or grew up in the Dominican, why would he take B-12?  

I can't believe he and his lawyer thought that this would be a good defense.  I can hear the hue and cry from the masses already.

by Danyah on Jan 3, 2008 6:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

for the sake of argument...
it is possible he took B-12 injections because he believed that they "worked" whether they actually do or not.  When I searched the net for "B-12 injections," I was surprised by the number of offers for over the counter injectable B-12 doses which popped up from Canadian and other pharmacies.  Some web sites claimed that the B-12 injections could have a therapeutic effect on a large number of conditions.  Granted, this may involve some quackery, but it doesn't mean people won't believe in it.  I noticed that one web site pointed to the therapeutic use of B-12 injection to treat lower back pain, with a link to a health-related article that said the B-12 would reduce the amount of anti-inflammatory medication required to treat back injuries.

I'm not saying that I believe or don't believe whether Clemens used steroids. But I don't find it implausible that he took B-12 injections, particularly if he says that he continues to do so.

by clack on Jan 3, 2008 7:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh,
I don't find it implausible that he took B-12 either, or that baseball players might think it would help them.  I just find it an implausible DEFENSE.  I mean, it didn't exactly work out for Raffy Palmeiro.  (Yeah, yeah, he had a positive test--I know, apples and oranges.  But just sayin' that somebody else has already gone there.)  And didn't Canseco say that B-12 was a clubhouse code for steroids?

Just doesn't seem well thought-out to me.  But hell, I guess if it actually turns out to be the truth, it didn't need to be well thought-out.

by Danyah on Jan 3, 2008 8:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Roger Clemens
It is believable that he took steroids or other stuff.

I think it is also believable that he didn't.

There are many many thoughts on both sides of the argument that are all speculation used to cause belief. First off, he has always said he didn't do it. From what I know Roger has had many things said about his personality but little questioning his integrity. SO take his statements as you will.

Then there is his performance. He was basically the best pitcher in baseball at 3 different times in his career. Most of us know the final period when he was the best in baseball for a 3 year run with the Astros. Each time he attained greatness he fell from grace and rebuilt himself as a new pitcher. I don't know that in any one of those times you would call what he did as being unbelievable statistically.

When Roger pitched for the Astros he wasn't an undeniable force that overpowered hitters. He was much more crafty and used an unbelievable will to stop runners from scoring when he got into trouble. He never threw over 95 and mostly sat in the 90-93 range. He also didn't throw tons of pitches or innings. He was basically a 7 IP then a 6IP pitcher. Most of the time he only gave up one run buy it was still not overpowering or incomprehensible.

And finally his body never became grossly huge. Facial structure, muscle mass, and body fat were all in line of a normal super-athlete.

I don't know either way.  

My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Jan 3, 2008 7:52 PM CST   0 recs

B-12
I'm expecting the 60 Minutes piece to be fluffy and kind, considering who's conducting the interview: Nothing will matter until this gets into some kind of courtroom. Everything until then is just a PR fight.

When that happens, I really hope someone asks Roger why, if these were innocent vitamins shots, they had to be done at 3am in his hotel room, instead of in  the clubhouse or a doctor's office.

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by scoutingbook on Jan 4, 2008 12:15 AM CST   0 recs

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