About Roger Clemens' Lawyer
I'm pretty sure Roger Clemens took steroids. If someone like George Mitchell says he did, that's gonna carry a lot of weight with me.
But seeing Clemens go on in high escutcheon and in withering self-righteousness over the last week or so, I have to say I'm a little less sure than I was the day the Report came out.
If Clemens were playing a game of Texas Hold 'em, you'd say he's gone all in. Which in its own way is worthy of at least some respect. It's easy to say that Clemens is bluffing, but now, you have to recognize he's gone and bet it all on a single hand.
People would have forgiven the Rocket if he'd meekly given some kind of bullshit apology like Pettitte went and did. For the good of the team, whatever the fuck. But if Clemens is subsequently found to be lying now, even as he makes his angry point-by-point denials, even as he does the interview with Mike Wallace, even as he hires Rusty Hardin, well, people will never ever forgive him.
He'll go down in baseball history as a villain worse than Bonds.
The New York Times today has an excellent profile of Hardin, and I gotta say after reading it, I'm even more interested in how all this turns out than I was before.
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Clemens
Hopefully he is, but honestly, if I had to put my money on it... I'd say he probably used.
by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2007 12:32 PM CST 0 recs
On another note
by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2007 12:33 PM CST 0 recs
'Stros Signing
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/28/astros-sign-oscar-villarreal/
by ET90210 on Dec 28, 2007 1:51 PM CST 0 recs
He was already under control....
by clack on
Dec 28, 2007 7:04 PM CST
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Former Astros...
"Earlier this month, the Twins signed two free agents from Houston: shortstop Adam Everett (one year, $2.8 million) and third baseman Mike Lamb (two years, $6.6 million)...More than anything, our manager [Ron Gardenhire] wants stability at shortstop, and Everett catches the ball as well as anybody," Smith said. "And our reports on Lamb always have been good."
The way Smith sees it, Gardenhire will have depth and options with his new infield.
"We have four players for three positions," he said. "We have two righthanded hitters [Harris, Everett], a lefty [Lamb] and a switch-hitter [Nick Punto]. I'm not worried about our infield." "
by clack on Dec 29, 2007 11:09 AM CST 0 recs
BOYCOTT the Astros
by Joel on Dec 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST 0 recs
Market demand sets the price
People with more money than I have will buy the tickets, but the tickets will be bought (and maybe scalped).
Save your boycott for a more achieveable goal.
by Joe in Birmingham on
Dec 29, 2007 12:44 PM CST
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More Clemens Stuff
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/29/mcnamee-may-file-suit-against-clemens/
by em3 on Dec 29, 2007 12:50 PM CST 0 recs
Don't know if Clemens is right or not....
However, if Clemens intends to rely solely on attacking McNamee's character, I don't think that alone will be sufficient to persuade most people. I have no doubt that McNamee is a shady guy, but that won't prove innocence. And perhaps nothing is out there to settle the dispute. If Clemens is innocent, he doesn't have an easy task ahead of him.
Hardin might welcome a lawsuit by McNamee. It might provide a forum to cross examine the accuser. A lawsuit with Clemens as the plaintiff would be a worse option for him, because defamation suits are hard to win if the defamed person is a public figure.
I notice that the reader posts on the chronicle blogs are full of venom toward Clemens; people blame him for not responding quick enough, talking through his agent or lawyer, talking on a video, undergoing questioning by a "biased" Mike Wallace, etc. What I don't see are posts by these readers asking why Miguel Tejada has yet to publicly respond in any fashion to the Mitchell Report allegations. Do these same fans give Tejada a free ride because he is now the "savior" for the 08 Astros team? Tejada has yet to appear in Houston for an Astros press conference. Is he waiting to figure out how he will respond to questions about the steroids allegations? I understand that Clemens is a much bigger name, but he has been more of a lightning rod on this issue than Tejada.
by clack on Dec 29, 2007 5:02 PM CST 0 recs
Interesting points
And speaking of poor judgment, who writes CHECKS for their PEDs? Good grief. But while the Tejada trade has not been as polarizing a presence on the Chronblogs as Clemens, there have been a few people weighing in negatively. If I had to guess, I'd suppose that alot of fans care less fervently about Tejada's past than Clemens' simply because Tejada hasn't actually played for us yet. Emotionally, he's not really an Astro yet. . . nor has he played games with us for years as to whether he'll play or not, nor has he bolted for the Yankees because we would only give him three months instead of four, etc., etc. Clemens just has a lot more baggage with the fans, I think.
And finally, hee!
by Danyah on
Dec 29, 2007 9:11 PM CST
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A breast-taking....
by clack on
Dec 29, 2007 9:31 PM CST
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People aren't
by Stros Bro on
Dec 29, 2007 10:21 PM CST
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Escutcheon?
So, Clemens is taking the Lance Armstrong route, eh? Believing as I do that Armstrong was a doper, I've often wondered if his tremendous charity work might not be a tactic to mitigate the damage to his image should his past one day catch up to him. The more denials a guilty person promulgates, the worse he/she looks when the truth comes to light, Marion Jones being a great recent example.
Perhaps the Clemens Foundation should kick it into high gear.
by Austin Astroholic on Jan 1, 2008 1:37 AM CST 0 recs
Off-topic here,
by Danyah on Jan 1, 2008 8:18 AM CST 0 recs
Simpsons fans?
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/01/introducing-the-homer-award/
Anyway, this Clemens/McNamee "war" is gonna be interesting. I think it ends in Clemens being utterly disgraced in public, but I am hoping the exact opposite.
by ET90210 on Jan 1, 2008 6:15 PM CST 0 recs
Santana trade talks
by ET90210 on Jan 3, 2008 9:55 AM CST 0 recs
Clemens swears to no steroids
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/03/clemens-swears-he-never-used-steroids/
by ET90210 on Jan 3, 2008 4:52 PM CST 0 recs
"banned"
by Xan on
Jan 3, 2008 5:33 PM CST
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He should have kept his mouth shut
I can't believe he and his lawyer thought that this would be a good defense. I can hear the hue and cry from the masses already.
by Danyah on
Jan 3, 2008 6:05 PM CST
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for the sake of argument...
I'm not saying that I believe or don't believe whether Clemens used steroids. But I don't find it implausible that he took B-12 injections, particularly if he says that he continues to do so.
by clack on
Jan 3, 2008 7:05 PM CST
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Oh,
Just doesn't seem well thought-out to me. But hell, I guess if it actually turns out to be the truth, it didn't need to be well thought-out.
by Danyah on
Jan 3, 2008 8:53 PM CST
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Roger Clemens
I think it is also believable that he didn't.
There are many many thoughts on both sides of the argument that are all speculation used to cause belief. First off, he has always said he didn't do it. From what I know Roger has had many things said about his personality but little questioning his integrity. SO take his statements as you will.
Then there is his performance. He was basically the best pitcher in baseball at 3 different times in his career. Most of us know the final period when he was the best in baseball for a 3 year run with the Astros. Each time he attained greatness he fell from grace and rebuilt himself as a new pitcher. I don't know that in any one of those times you would call what he did as being unbelievable statistically.
When Roger pitched for the Astros he wasn't an undeniable force that overpowered hitters. He was much more crafty and used an unbelievable will to stop runners from scoring when he got into trouble. He never threw over 95 and mostly sat in the 90-93 range. He also didn't throw tons of pitches or innings. He was basically a 7 IP then a 6IP pitcher. Most of the time he only gave up one run buy it was still not overpowering or incomprehensible.
And finally his body never became grossly huge. Facial structure, muscle mass, and body fat were all in line of a normal super-athlete.
I don't know either way.
by Shamus on Jan 3, 2008 7:52 PM CST 0 recs
B-12
When that happens, I really hope someone asks Roger why, if these were innocent vitamins shots, they had to be done at 3am in his hotel room, instead of in the clubhouse or a doctor's office.
by scoutingbook on Jan 4, 2008 12:15 AM CST 0 recs
















