Brad Lidge Traded for Michael Bourn
Technically, the trade included Houston Astros Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett for Philadelphia Phillies Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Minor League third baseman Michael Costanzo; but in all actuality, it's Bourn for Lidge.
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I woke up this morning and turned on the local sports radio and this was basically the first thing I heard... and it shocked me. Not really shocked that Lidge was traded, just shocked me that the Astros actually made a trade. When I first heard the news I was like "we traded away Brad Lidge for who?". I won't lie, I know little to nothing about Michael Bourn(who by the way is a Houston Native and went to U of H) and when I heard that we traded for a Phillies outfielder, I was really hoping it was for Rowand... but it wasn't.
So what to think about this... I can't really say I'm sad to see Brad Lidge go. I really liked him as a person and liked his attitude and just generally liked him period... I just didn't trust him as a closer. Great stuff though. I can't say I'm real excited about Bourn either. Dude's only started 15 games in his career!!! Not the greatest OBP (.348) for a lead off hitter either... but then again, he has only started 15 games and he could blossom into a good lead of hitter... then again, he could turn out to be a total bust and a waste of a roster spot. Only time will tell.
Other thoughts... I guess this basically takes away Luke Scott's chances to be an everyday starting Astro(well, unless Bourn just tanks it and Luke steals the job back). Luke had an off season last year only batting .255; but then again he also got screwed(in my opinion) by being a platoon player and never really got a chance to play everyday.
Thoughts?
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I've already posted my thoughts elsewhere
Anyway, Nate Silver had an article in BP's unfiltered section on the trade(here) which surprisingly(IMO at least) says that Houston got the better end of the deal. The gist of it is that Lidge is good and will probably be good, but one year of him, plus about 4 million dollars saved from not going after Cordero, isn't worth the two prospects, both of whom are projected to be solid major leagues.
I don't generally agree with BP on much, and I'm kinda iffy on this one. I do think Houston did well, but I also don't think the Phillies did that bad either. Both teams got what they wanted without giving up too much, and like I said, it seems fair to me. Silver seemed to ignore the benefits of moving Myers back to the bullpen, and I think he's overvaluing Bourn and Costanzo a little bit. He did have a follow-up (article), addressing those and other criticisms, though obviously most of that's about the Phillies side of the deal.
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- I have heard a lot about the Wade factor. Dealing with the Phills in his first is probably not coincidental. I am sure the familiarity(from both sides) made it easier to sit down to the table. Both thinking that the other guy won't knowingly rape him. But who did it help?
- Costanzo: He is not a throw in. He is definitely a player that was bartered about. He was among the top college hitters coming out for the draft. He had a little let down in his junior season after a monster sophomore campaign. Did very good in his first shot at pro ball except for his Ks. And his second year was not as good as people would have thought and he was still putting up big K numbers. So his stock dropped a ton. And this year he really mashed and K-ed. So he is coming off a big letdown then a spike.
He is probably the 2nd best POS player prospect the Astros have now and I would grade him a B.
3. From hearing wade it sounds like the Phils wanted Lidge and said that Bourn is available. Bourn was talked about in the season before the deadline. Then they hammered out how to make that work. So now we at least know how that went down.
Costanza seems to be an important...
"While we were waiting [for the medical reports to complete the trade], I said, 'All right, if we get Costanzo, who's a better left-handed power bat in [Houston's Minor League] organization?' " Wade said. "The answer is nobody."
Upon further review...
Long time no post (I know...just going through some Astro withdrawal). Anyway, when I first heard of this trade...I was kind of surprised Lidge was traded but maybe it was just time. Like Stros Bro said, I liked him as well and there is no denying his stuff but seemed like everytime he came in, you didn't know which Lidge you'd get on that given day.
Anyway, I went to some Philly boards to guage the reactions there and even though they are happy about acquiring Lidge, most of the fans were high on Bourne and it seemed to me at least that they were really high on Costanzo! He really put up some good numbers in the minors like Shamus mentioned and they were projecting him to make it to the Majors in 2009!
For now it seems that the Astros got a fair return but time will tell I guess. It can't be as bad as the Jennings-Hirsch/WillyT trade can it?! Can it? (Gulp!)
Go Stros!
SeoulStro
A team that needs a closer but doesn't have one...
If Bourn starts at least 2 full seasons in CF, playing around average, the Astros are to the good, no? They have a position covered beyond Lidge's one year and money to go after other missing pieces.
I love Lidge the person, or at least what I know of him through the media. Seems smart, and obviously lots of guts and class facing up to his adversities. But we were probably going to say goodbye to him in a year, anyway. Bruntlett may have been wasted talent, but that wasn't Wade's fault, and he's probably approaching arbitration.
Please keep in mind, when I post, I just say what seems to make sense to me. I don't have the numbers to back up what I say like you guys. But the 'Bro asked for our thoughts.
by Austin Astroholic on Nov 9, 2007 12:05 AM CST reply actions
Good trade for both
Another criticism of this deal is that the Astros are weaker without Scott. I would have been happier with the deal if the Stros got starting pitching, but I can understand why it didn't happen so they got what they could. Hopefully they can package Scott and others for some starting pitching. This criticism would be null if the Astros make some more trades (which I think they should). You do not want to be relying on the free agent market this year.
As said above, this boosts the Phillies bullpen and starting rotation (Myers moving to rotation). Good move.
by semperfi1860 on Nov 9, 2007 2:28 PM CST reply actions
Michael Bourn and Geoff Geary
by astromaniac on Nov 10, 2007 9:53 PM CST reply actions
Willy T had a better OBP...
I agree that Geary may be a pleasant surprise from this deal. He had a down year last year (even though it was a better performance than the Astros' middle relievers), and I wouldn't be surprised to see him bounce back with a better ERA next season. I think he can replace Springer's role, which the Astros struggled to replace last year.
It'll be interesting to see...
It should be nothing less than a standing ovation, but you never know.
I would hope he isn't boo-ed....
hadn't thought about it
by littlevisigoth on Nov 14, 2007 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

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