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Pettitte A Yankee, Says ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380

One year, 16 million, with a player option for 2008, saith Buster Olney.

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The Chronicle Confirms With A Quote From Hendricks
"I had offered the Astros $14 million and an option," Randy Hendricks said. "But they wouldn't take it. Both teams know that if Andy gets hurt, he won't take the option. The Astros flat turned me down."

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by rastronomicals on Dec 8, 2006 4:03 PM CST reply actions  

Verducci Had Told Us
It Would Be By The End of The Week

I know that the system is geared for the players to maximize income through relatively free movement from team to team.

For the most part I do not hold it against players when they are honest about taking the highest bid.  I had a problem with Mike Hampton, sure, but that was only because he claimed he signed with Colorado because of the Denver school system or some shit.

If you are honest, and tell us it's all about the money, no-one is going to blame you for taking the best offer.  That's called free enterprise, and us Americans, we think that's good.

But us Americans also hate hypocrisy.  

Pettitte and his Tom Joad fambly shit is now exposed as simply a card he successfully played to get what he wanted.  When that card no longer meshed well with his desires v. 2007, he simply dropped it.

He pitched some great games for us, but it's hard for me right now to keep from calling him a hypocrite, pure and simple.

by rastronomicals on Dec 8, 2006 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

Then
Clemens is also a hypocrite.  He told the Yankees and all of baseball he was retiring for good after 03.  Funny not any Astro fans look at him as a hypocrite.  Look , shit happens, player only care about themeselves.  Fans grow an attachment where they really shouldn't.  Carlos Lee or Berkman could say how much they love the Astros and this is the only place they would play.  But if the weren't offered the deals they were, they would playing plaing somewhere else.

by ReLaunch on Dec 8, 2006 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Beyond
how I replied the last time you said that Clemens was as hypocritical as I feel Pettitte to be, there is also the fact that--so far at least--Clemens' talk about wanting to pitch at home has not been rendered as so much BS.

Not that he might not sign with the Yankees in January, but for now, you have to say he's shown more faith to his words than Pettitte has (at least as far as the Astros are concerned).

by rastronomicals on Dec 8, 2006 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

What gets me
is that a week ago he wasn't even sure he wanted to play baseball anymore...yeah, right?  

I'm with you, Rastro, I'll refrain from calling him any name (for now) but I must admit that I feel gutted.  

by callmenis on Dec 8, 2006 5:13 PM CST reply actions  

Good Riddance
Not saying I wouldn't have been happy if he signed with the Astros, but all of this talk about not sure if he's going to pitch and about his family and all of this was just to get a bigger contract. Pettitte isn't worth 16 million or 14 million. There's no telling what he'll do next year. Will he be the sub 3.00 era post all star break or the 5.00+ era from before the All-Star break.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the AL east his ERA sky rockets even more.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 8, 2006 5:22 PM CST reply actions  

Man
I never actually thought Andy would sign with the Yankees. Still, I'm not going to wish ill on him. Have fun in the AL with the DH and the insane NY media, Andy. He probably isn't worth the contract he got, but who is this offseason?

by MG(vers. 2) on Dec 8, 2006 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

Great point,
its not like Pettitte ever pitched in the AL East.  Its not like he ever faced Manny, Oritz, or any of the other hitters in the AL.  Keep up with the great points.

by ReLaunch on Dec 8, 2006 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Springer a Cardinal?
http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/12/08/ap3241093.html

I kinda figured Russ would retire, but if he did decide to play, I was hoping he'd go to anyone besides the Cards.

by MG(vers. 2) on Dec 8, 2006 6:35 PM CST reply actions  

I'm Such A Homer I Hate To See Anyone Leave
and I'll especially hate to see Russ leave because I spent some portions of the previous two seasons championing his case, and he then kindly went out and proved me right. Springer's been an asset, but at the same time, he ain't getting any younger, and middle relievers are wildly erratic from year to year. Is it possible that he'd be good three years in a row?

I looked it up and only one pitcher in Houston history has pitched in 60 games, thrown 50 innings, and posted a WHIP under 1.20 three years (or more) running, and that was Billy Wagner.

Luvya Russ, but you ain't Billy Wagner.

Though to be fair, both Qualls and Wheeler can join Wagner in that little club I made up this year. 'Course Lidge could have joined last year, and you saw how that turned out.

60 G, 50 IP, and 1.20 WHIP, Times Accomplished
Reliever Times
Achieved
Consecutive
Years
Billy Wagner 5 2001 - 2003
Octavio Dotel 2 2002 - 2003
Xavier Hernandez 2 1992 - 1993
Brad Lidge 2 2004 - 2005
Chad Qualls 2 2005 - 2006
Joe Sambito 2 1979 - 1980
Russ Springer 2 2005 - 2006
Dan Wheeler 2 2005 - 2006
Juan Agosto 1 1988
Nelson Cruz 1 2001
Danny Darwin 1 1989
Doug Jones 1 1992
Trever Miller 1 2006
Claude Raymond 1 1966
Dave Smith 1 1985
Dave Veres 1 1995

The other thing this says is that Houston has just had absolutely kickass relief pitching the last five years, the best the franchise has ever seen--and it appears to be getting better.

Anyway, homers allowed aside, Springer did a good job for Houston, and I wish him success, just not against us.

by rastronomicals on Dec 8, 2006 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

hmm
All I can say for Andy is try to have fun in New York.

I'm having mixed emotions this offseason.

by matt s on Dec 8, 2006 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

let
Let it all out Matt. You know you want to! I'll admit that I'm bitter about it and I think he was wrong for the way he went about this. I hope he gets lit up in NY. If he wouldn't have went about it the way he did, I would be okay with him going to New York and would wish him luck. But not now...
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 8, 2006 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I think this whole thing
is a case of the Astros organization knowing something we didn't.  There had to be a reason we didn't offer him the money (other then he just wasn't worth it), or else we wouldn't have let him go.

by saylinara on Dec 8, 2006 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

Yuck...
((breaks out bucket of wet noodles)).

All I have to say is this: Enjoy pitching in the AL East again, Andy!:-)

by StrosDux on Dec 8, 2006 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting
how this is being spun. ESPN says Astros decided to let Pettitte walk over $2 million, but the reverse is also true: Pettitte decided to walk over $2 million.

I might feel different if $12 million wasn't a fair offer for a pitcher with a history of injury who's going to be 35 next year.

Pettite's contract with the Astros paid him $31,5000,000 over the past three years. It was backloaded, but that works out to $10.5M annually. The Astros look at his 5.28 first-half 2006 ERA, remember his washed-out 2004 season, watch the guy jerk us around a la Carlo$ Beltran for two months, then offer him a 14% raise to stay home.

For THIS, the Astros are getting called cheap?

Well, while Andy is wondering next summer how much of that extra dough he's getting from the Yankees is gonna be eaten up by state and city taxes, he might also take some time to consider that when the Astros contacted the Sox about Garland, they were looking to acquire a pitcher who not only has a better upside in 2007 and beyond, but also had hefty leads in 2006 in significant stats from differing quarters like WHIP, WPA, Expected Win Percentage, Runs Saved Above Average, and Pitchers VORP.

Don't get me wrong. Just based on what he did in his three short years in Houston, Pettitte is the second best left-handed starter in team history. No sweat, I will give him that. But in an environment where you need to watch the money you throw around after overspending for Lee, it just didn't make sense to pay Pettitte for 2005 production when he wasn't likely to come near it for 2007.

The Astros weren't cheap, they were careful.

by rastronomicals on Dec 8, 2006 11:28 PM CST reply actions  

It looks to me like the Astros
weren't willing to give Pettitte 14 mil as per your 2nd reply to yourself Rastro.  YAY FOR THE STROS!!  Assuming the Astros are able to acquire atleast 1 more good arm for the rotation I will totally give the 'stros props for how they handled this situation.  Over pay when you need to overpay, and don't when you don't.  If the Astros didn't get Carlos Lee who could they have aquired that could possibly make as big of an impact?  Probably no one, so you spend the extra cash.  Who can the 'stros get that can take the place of Pettitte?  Well hopefully we'll see in the next couple of days.

by TimStros on Dec 9, 2006 12:06 AM CST reply actions  

This was the right move
to not give in to the ridiculous market AGAIN this year....

However, Purp and company better find SOMEONE to start! I wouldn't feel comfortable going into the season with the rotation as is, thats for sure....possible trades?

by jakechap20 on Dec 9, 2006 12:08 AM CST reply actions  

Wheeler
You think his suggestion that he wants to try starting will get anymore talk this winter now that we're more hard up on pitching?

This:

Oswalt
Williams
Hirsch
Wheeler
Nieve/Buchholz/Sampson

Looks a lot better than this:

Oswalt
Williams
Hirsch
Nieve
Buchholz

by Kian on Dec 10, 2006 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

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