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Bagwell for the HOF!

I just wrote an article on Jeff Bagwell's Hall of Fame credentials at Beyond the Boxscore

Be sure to check it out and give your opinion on whether or not Bags deserves to be a first ballot Hall of Famer come 2010 at the earliest if he really does retire this year.

Bags is one of my all-time favorites, and if I had a BBWAA vote I'd definitely cast one on him come election day.

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You can catch me on bad days vis a vis Bagwell, but for the most part, I'm still totally in the guy's camp.

 I wrote a reply at Beyond the Boxscore, here,, but I'll go on a little further here, and say that watching Bagwell decline the way he has, because of the reason he has, ranks very high on the list of Saddest Things I've Ever Seen.  

For almost five years now, my little baseball card shrine to Bagwell over at Astroland has read, "An Unquestioned First Ballot Hall of Famer," and I have never seen any reason to change that wording.

I do however sometimes wonder if everyone sees it in the same way.  Bagwell did so many things well--he took a pitch, he played defense, he ran--but it's the home runs that people are gonna focus on.  And that's kind of a discredit, because the era in which we watch the game kind of says that players are gonna pass him in that regard.  Never mind that they won't play defense as well, or run as well, or be as consistent, or be as smart; they'll pass him in homers, and because people (and maybe voters?) are so fixated on the home run, the memory of his career, will suffer for it.  

So, yeah Bagwell SHOULD definitely be a first ballot Hall of Famer, because of how he dominated the era in which he played.  But sometimes, I wonder whether he actually WILL be.

by rastronomicals on May 13, 2005 1:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My fear
is that too many people will look at his final power numbers, forget that he spent the best years of his career in one of the worst HR parks of the last 40 years, remember his relatively quick decline, and he won't get voted in on the first ballot.  But he certainly should...

by joeficarra on May 17, 2005 6:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Certainly
several players are going to pass Bagwell in his premier statistic, the home run, but then again (and this is conjecture wrapped in supposition bowtied with gross accusation), if Bagwell remains untainted by the steroid thing, and other players that pass him (or are already ahead of him) do not, that particular piece of public opinion could work in his favor.  

by rastronomicals on May 18, 2005 9:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hall of Fame
I think he deserves in, not on the first ballot, but in. The first ballot HOF has been diminshed, IMO, by guys like Sandberg.

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2005 8:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh??
"The first ballot HOF has been diminshed, IMO, by guys like Sandberg."

First off,  Sandberg wasn't first ballot, but even if he was, what does that have to do with Bagwell? In 50 fewer games, Bagwell has 200 more runs, 80 more doubles, 160 more homers, 15 points of batting average, and 36 points of OPS + on Sandberg.  
And yes, Sandberg was a second baseman, but Bagwell fielded his position until 2001 anyway outstandingly, and stole 100 more bases than Sandberg to boot.  

I agree with you about cheapening the first ballot, but I don't think Bagwell would, if only because of the multi-dimensioned nature of his game.  Throughout his career he simply did more than most first basemen, even ones who can make Hall claims for themselves.  

by rastronomicals on Jun 1, 2005 10:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Spreadsheets
In order to figure out whether or not players actually diminish Hall of Fame standards by their induction I've made some spreadsheets for each position. that way we can plug in and take away certain players to see if it makes it harder or easier to get into the Hall of Fame from a statistical worth perception. Sandberg, by the way, deserves his spot in the Hall of Fame. Johnny Evers on the other hand has the Veteran's Committee to thank for his spot. As well as Joe Tinker and France Chance. I guess they can thank that poem as a group.

by Marc Normandin on Jul 17, 2005 7:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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