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saylinara's comments were so on target, and my response so comprehensive, that I thought I'd promote them from the last comments of a thread to a full-fledged story:

Three main things in the loss
I found three disturbing things in this loss, none of which have to do with Lidge, because I think I've gotten over my initial anger with him.

The non-pinch-hitting for Andy at the bottom of the fourth.  With the position you put yourself in with him bunting, the only way a run could score from third on Biggio's bat was if it got out of the infield.  If we had our two chances at getting a ball out of the infield, even with the runner still at second, it could have yielded a more favorable outcome, especially with the heart of the order coming up.  Furthermore, we had two starters-converted-relievers sitting in the pen with nothing to do, one who is quite good at relief opportunities.  I know Garner figured there would be more chances to score, but with the club hitting with RISP like it had, he just had to take the chance with a pinch hitter.

Moe's inability to connect the bat with the ball.  The one opportunity he did get, he got picked off at second.  Granted, had Lance not just hit the home run, he stays at first.  But other then that, there were many other opportunities for him to break the game wide open for the Astros to win, Pujols homer or not.

Garner just plain got cocky.  He knew with his bullpen the game was in the bag.  If he had anyone left on the bench who could play solid outfield, I guarantee you Willy would not have seen his AB.  And then not telling Willy to bunt softly up the third base side, that's just weak.  If Willy had gotten on base with his nice, tailor made, infield hit, Berkman could have batted against Izzy.  And doesn't Berkman have some rediculous batting average against Izzy?  Lastly, why in the world did he let Vizcaino hit?  I know he was saving Bagwell for that "special moment," but there is something known as keeping your player on the bench too long.  I know Baggie wants to get to a World Series so badly, he probably could have hit a cheapie on the first pitch he saw on pure emotion alone at that point.  Then if he didn't at least get on base, at least Vizzy could hit for Willy and Lance could move back into the outfield while Vizzy plays first, if extra innings should occur at that point.

What did us in the most this game was management, plain and simple.  We had the chances to break it open, but the decisions to get there had to have been made by Garner.  He even could have told Lidge to just walk Pujols, because even if Sanders got a ball to the outfield, only two runs would have scored on a cleanly fielded ball.

 

To which I replied:

Call and Response

He even could have told Lidge to just walk Pujols, because even if Sanders got a ball to the outfield, only two runs would have scored on a cleanly fielded ball.

Bingo.  My fiancĂ© said in real time that Garner should walk Pujols, and I told her no, they'd never put the winning run on base.

So I wouldn't have done it, but then again, I don't get paid the big bucks.

The more I think about it, she was right.  The WPA thing says you double your chances of losing from 7.5% to 15% by going from 1st and 2nd with two out  to the bases loaded, but the WPA software doesn't know anything about facing the best hitter in the game.  At that point it's damage control:  who can hurt you least.

Garner had the chance to outmaneuver LaRussa the way LaRussa once had the opportunity to outmaneuver Lasorda:  I'd always thought LaRussa should have had Eck walk Kirk Gibson.  Tying run is still at second, and you make Lasorda use a pinch-runner.  Plus Sax is just a little less dangerous than Gibson.

No pinch-runner here, but you diminish the Cardinal advantage in bypassing their most dangerous hitter.  And it's almost criticism proof--unless Sanders triples.  Because if Sanders homers with the bases loaded in that alternate universe which should have been,  the fans and the media would certainly understand that Pujols would have done the same.

I would have.

Had I been watching as Lidge put Pujols on, at first I would have been like, "No.  You can't do that."  But as it sank in, I would have seen the logic.

Another thing you could try was to hand Wheeler the ball for the second consecutive inning.  Don't tell me you weren't worried about Lidge after yesterday's luckfest in the ninth.  So why wasn't Garner worried?

Well, I'm sure he was, but I won't blame Phil for the "tyranny of the closer," where you have to use a recently ineffective pitcher in a critical position, because otherwise you'd hurt his precious feelings, or whatever.  That's just the state of the game, by far the most frustrating thing about it for me, and I can't expect Phil Garner to change that in one NLCS contest.

But in an isolated perfect world, unencumbered by all the baggage, using Wheeler (who threw 4 pitches in the eighth, right?) to pitch the ninth is at least as defensible as walking Pujols.

Which, of course, is what they should have done.

I am, by the way, not over my anger with Lidge at all. Not so much for the homer he gave up, but for the walk to Edmonds. And it's for that reason that the non-pinch hit in the fourth doesn't bother me at all.  I disagreed with the move at the time, but the Astros got away with it, pure and simple.  They had a two run lead with 2 strikes to go.  I can imagine plenty of scenarios where Astacio gives up runs, and the fact is, although I thought it was fait accompli, Pettitte didn't.

Criticize Ensberg?  Sure.  Absolutely.  Everett had better at bats last night.   The Pettitte at bat in the fourth was better than one of Ensberg's strikeouts.  Our MVP has hit one homer in the last month.

 

In attempting to write about the team right now, I will I'm sure find it difficult to find with in me the proper mix of realism and optimism as we head back to St. Louis.

So, since I might have trouble posting much today, anyone with an opinion about last night's game, or the next two, is certainly invited to share.

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The sun came up this morning
And there's no reason it shouldn't have. This wasn't Game Seven. I know we all feel those old feelings -- those feelings that we're going to get our hearts broken again. But this is the same team that battled back against unbelievable odds to even make the postseason. Let's get it done on Wednesday!

by SandMtnTexan on Oct 18, 2005 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's blind optimism
But I think we're still okay.  I think maybe there's a little too much second guessing going on.  After how rediculous Rodriguez and Mabry looked against Lidge, I can't imagine anyone was clamoring that Wheeler should have been in the game.  Eckstein faught off a pretty good pitch, but if Endsberg wasn't guarding the line (and why he was is beyond me), that's a routine grounder to third, game over, Lidge rules.  After that, he struggled in the way that I'm not sure any other pitcher on the team wouldn't have.  One second he's breezing through the inning, the next second he's got the best hitter in baseball swinging in the on-deck circle.  He couldn't locate his fastball on the inside half to Edmonds like Ausmus wanted him to and was so scared to walk him with his slider that he walked him with his fastball.  I do think it's a shame that he threw anything within reach of Albert, and he may have been trying to get that slider back in the dirt and continue to give him nothing to hit, then just oopsed it over the plate for a pitch seven other guys in their lineup could have smashed to left.  It happens, and maybe I'm just fooling myself, but I still think Lidge is as dominant a closer as he was coming into this series and I still think we go back to him tomorrow night in the same situation.

Painful loss indeed, being so close to putting this thing to bed, but we can't forget that we're still in great shape.  We're not throwing Munro out there in game 6 in St. Louis, and if it comes to it, we'll have a RESTED Clemens on the mound in game 7.  I'm just praying that Phil can keep his guys focused and we can rebound from this one the way the other guys rebounded from Sunday.  This is what it's going to take to put away what everybody was saying is the toughest team in the national league going into this series.  Let's not lose faith and not start crying about how close we were.  We're just as close as we were when we woke up yesterday.  Go Astros!

by littlevisigoth on Oct 18, 2005 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Worries
God, I hope you're right.  However, if the Astros feel 1/10 of the gut-wrenching, heartbreaking, just dull, sick feeling I have this morning, then I'm worried.  At least we're throwing up Roy O.  If he can't do it, then I don't think there's anyone on the club that can.  The Astros just need to remember how they got to Mulder in Game 2 and come out with their bats swinging.

And what worries me the most, more then focus, or RISP, or who we have pitching, is that this game was unhinged by managerial errors.  If Phil can't find a way to get that special mojo back, that'll hurt us more then any three-run homer.

by saylinara on Oct 18, 2005 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Simmons
He can get on my nerves (like most Red Sox absorbed fans), but this was appreciated:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/051018

by trza on Oct 18, 2005 1:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lidge
I have heard through some of the grapevines that Ausmus called for a walk.  Then when Lidge shook him off on the first slider, that's when Garner went out there and told him that "he didn't mind if Pujols was walked."

If these turn of events are true, then Lidge is just damn stupid and his pride needs to be reexamined, which now, I'm sure it has been.  Shaking off the catcher is one thing; shaking off the manager and losing the game is a whole nother matter.

by saylinara on Oct 18, 2005 11:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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